when the next version of msp comes out, I'd be very surprised not to see some objects which might please some of you in this regard. i'm not at liberty to say much more. sorry. _ Gregory Taylor(gtaylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) - Cycling '74 602 russell st., madison, wi 53704 vox: 608.246.9621 fax: 608.246.9619 http://www.cycling74.com