the fetishist - WAS Re: [microsound] nuno cannavaro

[tim jaeger <tim_in_flux@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> it seems to me that all music is fetishism as you describe it. jazz >or 
> improvisatory musicians fetishize their instruments and stylistic >playing,
> rock bands fetishize their styles, etc. eg: certain formal elements >that
> "stylize" the sound; common melodies/hooks; trends in music.

> saying this as you put it: formalities and common techniques in all >styles
> of music tend to reduce creativity and "derail" the desire of the >music 
> for
> another purpose.

whoah, this is waaaay out of whack! fetishising instruments and music 
itself? i've taken basic introductory freudian/marxist courses and agree 
more with josh here...maybe obsession is a better word, as it's kind of 
difficult to have a 'rock-n-roll fetish'

this topic of 'glitch-as-fashion' is interesting as well, what with articles 
in major style mags like SURFACE interviewing carsten nicolai, et al...there 
is a RA interview with jim o'rourke online (i can't remember the address, 
linked somewhere off of his huge-ass discography online as well) where he 
says remarks about the issue of Powerbooks on-the-rise in Chicago and the 
upsurge in 'experimental' music in general and compares it to, and i'm 
quoting loosely here:

"kids who get together in their basement and play RAMONES cover tunes"

so this sort of simulation/simulacra of 'experimental' music..i'm thinking 
he means here people being at the mercy of 'the machine' (in this case being 
kids who can only really rely on tabulatures/already produced songs, not 
really able to create their own 'statement'). i'm not trying to set up a 
flame-war, but this is certainly interesting for someone like o'rourke who 
has a verrry deep knowledge of the history of experimental music and music 
in general, but i tend to agree...yeah it's kinda cool that you wind up with 
100 minute sound-files of static because you didn't save the right way, it 
happens to me all the time, but it's also kind of cool to watch kids who 
just watched a MINOR THREAT video get together, form a band, and be 'punk 
rock'.  sort of the scenario "those who are at the mercy of the patch from 
the program they downloaded" or something similar.

i think people / groups like terre thaemlitz or the MAKE UP are interesting 
for attempting to move past the fetishization/obsession/whatever with a 
particular sound and taking other angles (socio-political 
theory/praxis/socialist gospel yeh-yeh rock).   punk fucking rock.

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