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Re: [microsound] Re:autechre/richard devine//techniques



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Andrei

Alexandra Hettergott wrote:

> Sorry, me latecomer (re Jonah Dempcy in answer to Michal Seta) :
> >> No!  The study of theory (not basic but advanced) gives you the skill
> >> to objectively look at a piece of music and FIND OUT the logic within
> >> it (if there is one).
> >and what is this logic?
> >this logic has been placed there by the theory itself. it does not
> >exist outside of the music theory, or rather inside of the music.
> Well, the theory provides the (external) reference system with regard to
> this very inherent "logic" (i.e. also : similarities, repetition of
> motive( cell)s, etc.) ; btw the fact that you can (theoretically)
> discuss about "Edim7" vs. "C# dim" chords is already an indication for
> some usefulness of this (some) concept ...
>
> >> To the degree that is necessary.  And necessity come with usage.
> >so something is useful because it is used?
> Absolutely not, there are lots of examples of things _not_ being
> auto-justifying with respect to just their mere existence/usage ; take
> just some rule/law, for instance (or the American constitution...) that
> does exist by _convention_ only finding so _some_ justification with
> relation to its formerly being established (and sort of historically
> proven), but the fact that it does exist alone is yet no justification
> for its existence ... (any convention is necessary ?) ...
>
> >> Bartok wrote his music, then he went back to look at it and derived
> >> his logic.
> >> Schoenberg did the opposite with the serial theory.
> Well, he did invent a theory that did well serve his very
> (compositional) purpose ...
>
> In general I'd state that being aware of music basics can be useful yet
> isn't vital to composers while it is indispensable to musicologists ...
>
> :ah
>
> ps -- as to (literary) leitmotifs (> R Wagner) which can also be found
> in Thomas Mann, for instance (having himself been Wagnerian).