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Re: [microsound] i wanna be a wrock stars ass... see my lap, top?
I meant EXPERIMENTAL...Though it was all an experience!
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From: yatra arts
To: microsound
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [microsound] i wanna be a wrock stars ass... see my lap, top?
Yes plenty of experiental electronic shows were poorly attended in Toronto from 1985 on...and well into the 90's. Many talk the talk but when things happen, they don't show. I hear you!
-Praveer
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From: Neil Wiernik
To: microsound
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:13 AM
Subject: Re: [microsound] i wanna be a wrock stars ass... see my lap, top?
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Boniato _ wrote:
>anyone that calls themselves, or believes tehy are, a promoter, should do a
>better job than getting 35 people to pay at the door.
Im sorry but your so WRONG!!! The turn out is soley on the artist playing.
I have doens shows with equally back breaking promotion (handbills,
posters, internet, print media and radio promotion) and its all relavant
to who is performing. Ie last time I brough sutekh to Toronto nearly 500
persons showed up, when I bring some one else of the mircosound gener that
might be slightly more obscure such as Markus Smeckler no one shows up....
Its all relevant to the artist and other events going on that night and if
people feel that they want to spend that kind of money on this artist...
Toronto for example is more of a dance floor city and has little interest
for the most part in Microsound artists Sorry to say so but it is true and
thus people would rather go out to see some one whos going to make thier
ass wiggle then their head giggle. ;)
I personaly as a promoture (and I take what I do seriously) would like to
be able to bring in more microsound artists but it would be cheaper for me
to have them play for me and my friends in my living room then doign up
and event as its only me and my friends who would show up really and all
that extra work is a compleat waste of time, now maybe it is different in
other sities but in 33 years I have lived in many different cites and
since the early 90s I have been doing shows in there different cities and
all the ones that I have living in sicne then have been the same...
NO ONE CARES!!! I remember turn outs for IOS or ZOviet France in the early
90s to be meager if not poor or even negativeland who has lots of out side
appeal beyond experiemntal music and a turn out being meager also...
so again its the city you live in and the "scene" you have in that city
who will support it or not. Toronto will not, Montreal depends on peoples
moods, Vancouver forget about it. I bet in europe and parts of the US sure
but in Canada not really not enough for a promotire to be able to pay an
artist and give them what ever it is that they need and still have his or
her shirt on thier back after the event.
>there is nothing wrong
>with getting paid scale if you are a musician. if youre a hobbiest, than a
>beer on the house may be fine. a real promoter, not a dabbler, should
>recognize the worth of an artiost or performer, and not expect them to sleep
>on the floor, go hungry, work for chips and warm beer or stale water.
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I think you over exagerate what Im saying...
I treat the artists I bring in with the up most respect, no one sleeps on
a floor, no one starves ... no one works for chips and beer...
nice vegan meals are cooked and fed to the artists, comphy sleeping
arrangements are made and transport to and from the airport is arranged...
not to mention all the drink they might want and any thing else such as a
vegan brunch the next day also home cooked...
>the diy'ers, may have a day job,,,so a 10 city tour in the week off from
>burger smack, or mit ,,, but some do not, and some performers actually do
>perform, the same, as a career. "hundreds of dollars" is anything over one
>hundred and 99, isnt it? is that unfair for two days travel and a day
>waiting around in a $39 hotel room to play?
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I dont know about you but in Toronto the only hotels that are 39 dollars
are holes in the walls and I would never put one of my artists up in one
of thouse... ever!!!
>while you may have been booking shows for ten years, or fifty, if it were a
>profession to you, you would know better. youre no promoter, your a dunk
>(not punk) who puts on shows... get any lately?
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>grow up...
excuse me your the one who needs to grow up your sounding like the whiners
who try to get first class plane flights, and penthouse hotel sweets out
of me...
Neil..
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>fa ta la mata
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>I do have to full heartedly agree with Ian on this one, but electronic
>music culture has always had that air to it. Its a far cry from the DIY
>ways of punk rock which is where I came from. I had a hard time dealing
>with all the over priced gigs, cds, equipment and othe rthings associated
>with it all. And from a promotures persective I find is really sad that
>any artist who does this music would could even ask for the amounts of
>money that they ask for to play. In the greater skeam of things, I loose
>my shirt each and every time I do a gig becasue of it, whats wrong with
>tewlling a promoture: as long as doing the gig does not cost me money Im
>happy, please cover my basics (travel, loging, food) and if you turn a
>profit from the gig then lets talk about paying me and how much.
>But instead (and kim this is not directed at your recent private email to
>me so please dont take this personally your not alone in your requests)
>I get insane requests for gurreentees of hundreds of dollars in USD of
>course (even when they are from germany or some other place), requests for
>first class flights, delux hotel rooms, ect ect...
>when the reality of it is that doing a show with any one particular
>microsound artist draws a total of not more then 50 persons haflf of which
>are on the guest list so that means 25 paying people if your lucky 35 at
>no more then 10 bucks a head. if you do the math you can never break even
>... no matter what lets face it the culture of electronic music as a
>whole. is that directed towards a previleged class...
>some thing to think about...
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