Re: [microsound] Wittgenstein

["luke (c)" <luke@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thought Philiosophical Investigations was much more developed &
important  than Tractatus. 

it was cool.. Tractatus kinda bumbled around, without saying much.

Luke


Super Coffee Beans wrote:
> 
> plato was not sceptical about poetry, or art. first u can read what he wrote
> and it is for me as close to poetry that can be. no remeber when he talks
> against art and stuff he claims that an ideal socity will not need art. we
> do not live in an ideal socity -utopia - i like to see t\our world as an
> dis-utupia.
> see ya
> y,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Sorg" <csorg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:56 PM
> Subject: [microsound] Wittgenstein (was Re: [microsound] Re: microsound
> Digest 12 Feb 200219:13:39 -0000 Issue 486)
> 
> > On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, david turgeon wrote:
> >
> > > besides, wittgenstein didn't publish anything for the rest of his life
> > > (save for a few short things) so most of what we call his later period
> was
> > > published postumhously in the form of notes.  as his prefaces show, he
> was
> > > unable to organize these notes in a coherent whole he could call a
> > > "book".  this in fact is an interesting statement as to how certain
> fixed
> > > forms (for example, how a book can be organized, its flatness & lack of
> > > hyperlinking facilities) actually impair on the possibility or
> practicality
> > > of certain thought.
> > >
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is correct.  What about "Philosophical
> > Investigations", in which he recants much of the Tractatus, or "Culture
> > and Value" (I just found that on amazon.com).  I also have a book called
> > the Blue and Brown books, but I believe those are collected notes from his
> > class.  He certainly kept writing and thinking about the concepts he
> > initiated, regardless.
> >
> >
> > > not deny that such ethics are still necessary.  i think the _tractatus_
> is
> > > something which should be used in politics & all community life, & also
> by
> > > law enforcement & the military.  now that would be very chinese.
> > >
> > > have a nice day
> > > ~ david
> >
> > That would be just too cool, David.  I always like to think of the
> > Tractatus as a guideline for *constructing* metaphor as well.  If
> > everything not literally known is a metaphor through the known, then what
> > better way to construct works of art than through the intentional use of
> > the known.  Philosophy, then, is essentially poetry, although you could
> > consider it the most base form of the art.  Interesting that Plato was so
> > skeptical of poetry then, isn't it.  With Wittgenstein you couldn't have
> > an ideal chair or ideal anything, you could only have a specific chair
> > with specific attributes.  Plato's ideal world concepts would be relegated
> > to poetry.  Ironic.
> >
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