RE: [microsound] call for content | Digital Salvage v.1

[David Fodel <DFodel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

personally i find it difficult to operate at all, without rules. Too many
possibilities or options lead to inaction, caught in an endless weighing of
those options. I prefer arbitrary (or even cleverly constructed) constraints
which add to a works puzzle-like nature without bogging the whole thing down
in needless posturing.

David Fodel
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> From: 	Philip Sherburne
> Reply To: 	microsound
> Sent: 	Tuesday, April 16, 2002 1:02 PM
> To: 	'microsound'
> Subject: 	RE: [microsound] call for content | Digital Salvage v.1
> 
> I agree - many people display a real knee-jerk reaction to "rules" (AKA
> constraints, guiding principles, etc.). The decline of the sonnet is not a
> coincidence, I guess. ;)
> 
> I don't have much more to add to what you said, Trace, except for the
> irony
> that Salvaggio's proposed rules seem designed as an explicit critique of
> the
> overused conventions (another kind of "rule") of most net art out there
> today. His "rules" are really counter-rules - not so different, in some
> ways, from the Oblique Strategies - a set of "commands" (or suggestions)
> that are intended to be liberating, not restrictive.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The pHarmanaut [mailto:pharmanaut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:54 AM
> To: microsound
> Subject: Re: [microsound] call for content | Digital Salvage v.1
> 
> 
> jeez, I can't believe how many people are offended by the blanket notion
> of
> "rules".  I'm not convinced that rules automatically equate, particularly
> in
> the context of artistic production, to some kind of fascist gesture. I
> think
> that many of the people who've responded to me with disdain for the notion
> of the project are missing the point. In a way, the contest is an attempt
> to
> explore the concept of rules, precisely when couched as something of a
> manifesto. I came out with the call as a response to the authorial
> gesturing
> of Salvaggio's original post, even despite his last line which struck me
> as
> so silly I almost ignored the whole thing.
> 
> As I see it, my call for participation in a contest stemming from these
> rules constitutes a kind of critical gloss on the Salvaggio piece. The
> whole
> "please, I'm an artist, there are no rules!" facade is really annoying and
> lazy. I'd rather carry on a different conversation.  In particular, I'm
> interested in specific responses to the spirit of the project as described
> in the call for contributions (not Salvaggio's article). I thought of this
> project as an effort to defuse any potential revolutionary/authoritarian
> taint on the rules by viewing these rules specifically as a way to
> structure
> a game.
> 
> For those of you who don't play games or abide the slightest whiff of
> totalitarianism, perhaps the scientific model might work for you. Does
> this
> qualify as an experiment (devslashnull, what do you say?), since it sets
> up
> rules in order to generate a condition of production, and it has specific
> standards that can be refered to in order to determine the degree to which
> the produced work has been shaped by those rules. But I'm not staking on
> any
> connection to the term "experimental" here. The word is not just
> over-used,
> it's mis-used, most frequently as a synonym for improvisational
> knob-twiddling and the like. It's used to mean "weird" (another frequently
> misused word) or "I'm too lazy to try to find a way to describe what I'm
> doing because, hell, I don't use rules anyway, and what's a description
> but
> a rule trying to sneak in after the fact!"
> 
> There's you a new can of worms. Time to get back to violating the Ten
> Commandments or something.
> 
> -=Trace
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael nisi" <_@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [microsound] call for content | Digital Salvage v.1
> 
> 
> > Y´Y´
> > rules? no thank you.
> >
> >
> > ^
> > Michael Nisi
> > www.cf-1.com
> > -
> > www.unescape.com
> > www.michaelnisi.com
> >
> > Y´Y´
> >
> >
> > ##
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > >Hi, all. Thought some of you might be interested in this call for
> > >content I've organized. Thus far, most of the responses have been
> > >more image-oriented in nature, and I'd be very interested in
> > >sound-art contributions.
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >-=Trace
> > >
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> > >DIGITAL SALVAGE v.1: a response to Salvaggio's Six Rules Towards a
> > >New Internet Art
> > >
> > >Please create a Web-based digital project that adheres to the six
> > >rules towards a new internet art that Eryk Salvaggion recently
> > >posted on Rhizome.org:
> > >
> > >1. No Flash
> > >2. No introduction pages
> > >3. No more art for the sake of error
> > >4. Images must be unique to the sitemaker
> > >5. Technology is not a subject; the Internet is not a subject
> > >6. The work stands alone
> > >
> > >Details on each rule are provided in the Rhizome posting
> > >(http://rhizome.org/object.rhiz?3236).
> > >
> > >Any form of artistic project is acceptable, as long as it exists on
> > >the Web and fulfills each rule. Rather than viewing Salvaggio's
> > >rules in the manner of a manifesto, this competition takes the
> > >game-playing spin: rules not as part of a revolutionary command
> > >("out with old, in with the new!") but as a guideline around which
> > >strategies can form within a localized and temporary setting.
> > >
> > >Contributions must be available on the Internet by May 31, 2002.
> > >Please send a URL by that deadline to: treddell@xxxxxxx One entry
> > >per participant.
> > >
> > >A panel of peer reviewers will help select the top three works, and
> > >all entries will be featured in a new net.art and media theory site
> > >launched this summer at the University of Denver's Digital Media
> > >Studies program.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Trace Reddell
> > >Assistant Professor
> > >Graduate Director
> > >Digital Media Studies
> > >University of Denver
> > >
> > >Email: treddell@xxxxxx
> > >Web: http://www.du.edu/~treddell/
> >
> >
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