i didn't mean to offend, i think i was just in a funk and directed my thoughts in the wrong place. i would not want to be a part of taking microsound to the level of the IDM list. i guess i have been contemplating the notion of 'meaning' in too detached a fashion. in some convoluted way i was reaching out for some kind of response... sorry. :) marc -- earphone music http://earphone.org mail: earphone@xxxxxxx