Re: feild music / not field recordings vs. Godzilla

[vikie <mary_cry@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

here's the thing about chance and about john cage.  i know a lot of
artists are running out of ideas and all - but honestly i think i can
create a superior piece if i involve myself at all.  chance is a very
interesting theory - and cage is very interesting at theorizing -
however no one really listens to his music all that much.  

the surrealists explored "automatic" writing its true.  but how much
chance is really is involved in anything is debatable - because even
when we try and purposely 'seperate' ourselves we are making  conscious
decision to do so and with our own rules, and on our own terms.  and
even the andre breton for all his preaching went back and edited some of
his work -  and ultimately i believe thats what chance should do and is
all about.  

it shouldn't be the work - it should merely play a part.  its very
interesting for example to design max patches where you give the
computer some limited choice (pseudo-random happening) - based upon your
style and decision making it can react to this and perhaps do things you
wouldn't have necessarily thought of.  and you can absorb this and thus
learn from it as you program it to learn from you.  brilliant.

lots of love,
mary_cry




>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: scott allison  <lipistal3@xxxxxxxxxxx>; ; 
>   To: microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx   <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ; 
>   Subject: Re: [microsound] feild music / not field recordings
>   
>   
>   
>   >  i can relate to this it seems that anytime i would try and create
>   something
>   >  from a synthetic source other than drone work, i was never
satisfied
>   with
>   >  the outcome. when you use field recordings you have no say in how
the
>   sound
>   >  moves and changes.
>   >  
>   >  j.frede
>   
>   
>   I have also found this to be quite nice.
>   
>   Chance operation can have interesting results. I once did a video
based
>   on 
>   chance. Around the area of Richmond VA, artist Erin kinght and
myself
>   used 
>   chance to determine where in the city or country we would go, what
angle
>   the 
>   camera has at, how high on the tripod it was positioned, what time
of
>   day to 
>   shoot, and for how long to shot. No editing was done outside the
camera.
>   
>   Depending on the number of decesions one has to make, if one applies
>   chance 
>   to each of the those desisons, you build more chance into something
and 
>   remove yourself more and more. Cage would create rather elaborte
sets of
>   
>   operations to remove himself as much as possible.
>   
>   Did you know Cage was the first Westerner to go into Communist
Soviet
>   Union, 
>   because he was considered the worlds leading expert on mushrooms and
the
>   
>   Soviets where reeally into mushrooms and had huge conventions about 
>   mushrooms. There is a funny film about going mushroom hunting with
john 
>   cage.
>   
>   Forget Silence, lets talk mushrooms.
>   
>   -Scott