Re: [microsound] Re: feild music / not field recordings vs. Godzilla

["j.frede" <jfrede@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

i have felt this way for along time, i think my biggest problem with alot of
early work and with alot of 20th century composers is that some of the
theory behind the compositions are groundbreaking, and amazing but when it
comes to listen-ablity its not very functional,, i know that listen-ablity
lies within opinion but to be realistic.

i disagree with the idea that chance compositions cant be listenable or
appeal to a larger audience of listeners.
alot of it has to the medium you are working with, and the way it is
presnted - both in theory and broadcast/performance. if a you record the
sounds of water pipes creaking for 60mins and release it as deeplistening
piece with an explanation in the liner notes your intentions  i feel you
could appeal to a wide audience,, classical music lovers, new age music
lovers, etc.... but if you record students learning how to play wind
instruments, and present it with the same liner notes your audience drops
dramatically, to say only avant garde fans and the like...

j.frede
current location:los angeles
http://ritualdocument.com/jfrede
po.box 292045 los angeles, ca 90029

> here's the thing about chance and about john cage.  i know a lot of
> artists are running out of ideas and all - but honestly i think i can
> create a superior piece if i involve myself at all.  chance is a very
> interesting theory - and cage is very interesting at theorizing -
> however no one really listens to his music all that much.


> the surrealists explored "automatic" writing its true.  but how much
> chance is really is involved in anything is debatable - because even
> when we try and purposely 'seperate' ourselves we are making  conscious
> decision to do so and with our own rules, and on our own terms.  and
> even the andre breton for all his preaching went back and edited some of
> his work -  and ultimately i believe thats what chance should do and is
> all about.
>
> it shouldn't be the work - it should merely play a part.  its very
> interesting for example to design max patches where you give the
> computer some limited choice (pseudo-random happening) - based upon your
> style and decision making it can react to this and perhaps do things you
> wouldn't have necessarily thought of.  and you can absorb this and thus
> learn from it as you program it to learn from you.  brilliant.
>
> lots of love,
> mary_cry
>
>
>
>
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: scott allison  <lipistal3@xxxxxxxxxxx>; ;
> >   To: microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx   <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ;
> >   Subject: Re: [microsound] feild music / not field recordings
> >
> >
> >
> >   >  i can relate to this it seems that anytime i would try and create
> >   something
> >   >  from a synthetic source other than drone work, i was never
> satisfied
> >   with
> >   >  the outcome. when you use field recordings you have no say in how
> the
> >   sound
> >   >  moves and changes.
> >   >
> >   >  j.frede
> >
> >
> >   I have also found this to be quite nice.
> >
> >   Chance operation can have interesting results. I once did a video
> based
> >   on
> >   chance. Around the area of Richmond VA, artist Erin kinght and
> myself
> >   used
> >   chance to determine where in the city or country we would go, what
> angle
> >   the
> >   camera has at, how high on the tripod it was positioned, what time
> of
> >   day to
> >   shoot, and for how long to shot. No editing was done outside the
> camera.
> >
> >   Depending on the number of decesions one has to make, if one applies
> >   chance
> >   to each of the those desisons, you build more chance into something
> and
> >   remove yourself more and more. Cage would create rather elaborte
> sets of
> >
> >   operations to remove himself as much as possible.
> >
> >   Did you know Cage was the first Westerner to go into Communist
> Soviet
> >   Union,
> >   because he was considered the worlds leading expert on mushrooms and
> the
> >
> >   Soviets where reeally into mushrooms and had huge conventions about
> >   mushrooms. There is a funny film about going mushroom hunting with
> john
> >   cage.
> >
> >   Forget Silence, lets talk mushrooms.
> >
> >   -Scott
>
>