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Re: [microsound]REvised influence vs. replica



sorry. didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, but hip hop did come from many different strands of previous forms of musical and cultural experience.
i think what might be more interesting in your comment here, to me, is relating back to a comment i had also made. THE TECHNOLOGY. It does allow us to create new sounds and new forms, but these are also going to have some ideological ties to previous forms and sounds (at least initially). I think some of the problem right now lies in the disconnect between the possibility of creating new forms (or wanting to) and being a bit hampered by our own 'context'. why do most soft-synths look and operate like their 'hard' companions? 
I think some of this barrier has been broken by musical artists who rely on there intimate knowledge of computers and coding (rather than an intimate knowledge of music). There will still be some nagging errata of dust from the previous music, because even these 'coders' will measure 'success' against their ideological frams of reference for what 'music' is.
cheers.
lance
www.praemedia.com
 
 "j.frede" <jfrede@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
if you are sure that it didnt "form out of thin air" then why dont you state
your basis for this comment,,, in my email i stated "(to my knowledge)" ,,,,
and as far as the technology goes, yes there are software, programs, etc...
that allow us to do things that werent possible before,,,, the question
stands will WE or the artist do something NEW with it?

just because we have software or technology to create new art/music that
doesnt mean we will do so,, anyone that has heard Kim's lecture on Post
Digital music has seen his references to the music that is perceived as
being "new" that sounded very much like the works of early electro-acoustic
artists.
j.frede

>
> look again...hip hop did not just form out of thin air...
> i do think though that some technology is allowing us to find new forms of
music (and other arts perhaps) which did not or could not have been possible
before. But even there, dig down into the details and it is all evolution.
small steps and giant leaps, but all in a process.
> lance
> www.praemedia.com
>
> "j.frede" wrote:let me try to make this
question as simple as possible as people tend to go
> off on tangents,
>
> ie: hiphop, in its creation it was a new type of music,, and yes it used
> previous recorded material via sampling to create the music but the vocal
> technique was completely new (to my knowledge) and had never been
presented
> as a form of singing. do you think it is possible that for the creation of
> a new ART, MUSIC, etc,,, ?
>
> and as far as genetic engineering on animals i think its an atrocity.
splice
> as much shit as you want with humans but i think animal experimentation is
> completely unacceptable! and should result in the torture and death of the
> scientist doing the research!
>
> j.frede
> current location:los angeles
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>
>
> > Rabbits and jellyfish are received forms, granted. But to conceive of
> > genetic engineering as an artform strikes me as a NEW art never before
> > possible. Rabbits and jellyfish are not artistic in-and-of-themselves,
> > insofar as they were not ARTificially created but are forms out of
nature.
> > The phosphorescent rabbit on the other hand is created as an artificial
> > lifeform through a technological process of gene-splicing.
> >
> > If you're talking about the creation of NEW art without any reference to
> > prior forms, artistic, natural or otherwise, how is that even possible?
I
> > can't even conceive of such a situation.
> >
> > -=Trace
> >
> > >
> > > I stated in the initail post, is is possible to create NEW art with
out
> > > using two existing forms,,, a bunny and a jellyfish have already been
> > > created,,, and the invention of the bunnyfish that stings you and
glows
> in
> > > the dark is merely a by product of OLD forms.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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