A Remark about the list(apologies)

["fatih kizilgok" <fkizilgok@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hello!
  I would like to say that I am sorry I pissed some of you off.

I agree it was wrong for me to mention Twine in particular, but it seems 
like his/theirs are the main e-mails I see without anything other than 
concert info/virtual flyer. So, I am really sorry that I mentioned this in 
public, I should have went and talked to him. but, I am still critical about 
what he said about other musicians from mego and merzbow. Also, like I did 
not have the right to voice my dislike of the twinesound in a public venue 
without their presence, I am sure some should also be cautious about 
expressing their anger because the band is very important for them.

I remember somebody saying they can not afford advertisement, that is why 
they publish their info on these lists. I understand this is done in order 
to build a community too. But, I wish this list could be seen more than a 
gear, release list, and actually it is very active in other discussions, but 
maybe a way to filter the ads would be awesome. I think an advertisement is 
an advertisement, it does not matter if it is done by cnn or somebody here. 
In our times it is only unfair to talk about corporate corruption while 
doing the similar things in our lives, that is bombardments of whatever...

I am sad that people said I am close-minded and I am a newcomer. what kind 
of an eliticist view could try to eliminate people like me, A NEWCOMER to 
this list ( I would not say I am a newcomer to music though.) while accusing 
me of being a WIRE eliticist? I am sorry I did not want to sound like I know 
everything. Like you said I am a newcomer and maybe what I say is wrong, but 
why accuse me of something I obviously am not? I am sure like most of you I 
am trying to embrace the music with whatever that comes with it. these 
critical discussions about existence, reason, meaning can not be 
disregarded. I would like to discuss it. Actually, After reading everybody's 
posts now, I kind of understand the importance of this list as whereabouts 
message medium. Maybe with some kind of filtering those of you who want to 
get concert and cd updates could get it while those of you who don't won't. 
I remember looking at http://www.microsound.org and reading the manifesto 
saying this is not a music-making/gear list. If that manifesto is still 
applicable, I think what I say should not be that off-limits, right?

I also got accused of just ranting in here as a newcomer mumbo jumbo. If I 
really was here to piss people off, I would write an e-mail that writes:
MICROSOUND LIST AND EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN IT SUCKS .
and leave it at that, but since I have gotten some things from this list not 
only relating to music but other things as well, I felt like I have to voice 
my opinion, I HAD TO SAY WHAT I THINK! Now, If I am not welcome here for 
whatever reason, I apologize to everybody, and I will not post again. But I 
encourage you to think before accusing! before calling people names! and 
before creating a hardcore microsound thug mafia that have been here since 
day one ( I DO UNDERSTAND AND TRULY ADMIRE YOUR DEDICATION THOUGH)

On the other hand, i understand we are at an age of everybody does 
everything, the suppreme DIY-ethos, but I would like to discuss the future 
of digitalism and where it is going. Because, these times bring about huge 
dilemmas with them. For once, the people who say they do not like the way 
the music business is working, but do take actions who resembles the 
corporate arena. I mean just because somebody is poor is not an excuse for 
free advert bombardment. Or is it? what is the difference between a million 
dollar ad and a free one here? It seems like they both come up to you when 
you did not ask for it, It seems like they both take your time and 
perception which could be better spent on things of interest and 
willingness. If this is all about creating a small public sphere, a 
post-community about a certain common interest that we are sharing maybe 
this list should not really be open to everybody, and to mostly the ignorant 
NEWCOMERS like me.

I also remember somebody writing about the shortcomings of the current 
Record label situation. I definitely do agree. Not everybody is lucky to 
know somebody from the industry and too bad that is the way things work. 
But, maybe things could change for better. Would not it be better if there 
was an appreciative system, a filtering mechanism that will pre-filter the 
junk out of the genuine and without prejudice over musical/artistic 
decisions/styles serve it to the audience? Or is the "be your own judge", 
and release it if you think it is worth it, a better solution for modern 
times? But, what about the possibility of a non-practitioner 
consumer/audience? Do they really have to be so attentive and be exposed to 
every thing that is out there before they make their selections? Humans can 
only live for so long, and maybe if we did not have to deal with bad-art, 
bad politics, bad music, bad attitudes that are freely premanading  around 
the virtual and real circles, we could reach a better intellectual state 
without also assuming the role of a filter like a brain-kidney cyborg, 
leaving the filtering to the kidney(a pre-filtering, better functioning 
museum,curator,label) and the apreciation to the mind (the audience). Of 
course on the other hand, there is the argument that states more choices 
bringing more variety to choose from for the masses. This is akin to the 
croni free-market economies that are functioning in all over the world now. 
Free-market is the ultimate utopia that hopefully everybody is longing for, 
but I do not foresee it happening unless there is serious change in how 
humans function. Our need for and longing to create a society causes little 
groupings, little friendships that we make in order to function more 
efficiently and watch out for each other. In our days, these groupings are 
either Bush shaking hands with his oil cartel (his friends) to decide 
whether to attack Iraq or not, or, the people who are on this list who buy 
each other's cds and go to each others concerts for support or inner 
improvement. Don't get me wrong the first is scary and dangerous while the 
second one is innocent. The problem is that actually these two acts stem 
from the same human condition. This is why I try to see how would taking a 
stance against the advertisements who caused the failure of pre-modern 
demand&supply economics evolve. I would like to see people come up with 
systems that will allow people the choice of being selective about what they 
want to hear or be exposed to. I am not sure how this could be managed, 
maybe we should wait for the decyphering of the human genome, or wait for 
the organic cpus, interfaces between our brains and machines.

Well, I am terribly sorry, I took so much of your time today/tonight. I 
understand this place is not somewhere for people to come and do therapy (I 
think I sound like this do not I?) But, this would be my last post and I 
just felt the need to explain myself a little bit more. the last thing I 
want to do is to manage to put those of you who I do not know in anger while 
you could be somebody that I would respect and look up to for the rest of my 
life. By the way, I am from Turkey thus my english could be very limited, I 
hope it was not too much distraction.

I would love to discuss other positive things I love about this music and 
the ideologies that are flowing above my head here and in most of the other 
art that I experience, but I am very tired now, and I am sure you are too. 
So have a good night/goodmorning. Thanks for your patience.
Fatih Kizilgok

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