Re: [microsound] movie advice

["anDre [arsonore.net]" <andre@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

hi paolo and list,
interesting that you mention 2 asiatic directors.
in fact, idea of time contained in oriental culture is much more different
than occidental one (maybe some oriental people on that list could confirm
this or not).
one of my friend (and i guess many philosophs before him) tried to examine
in details differences between those two perceptions of time by taking
writing methods as beginning point.
his idea was that occidental edition (books, papers, everything with pages)
are structurated by blocks. one single thought is decomposed in parts
symbolizing our idea of time as an accumulation of chapters one after
another.
in japanese culture, for example, there was rolls of paper where texts were
written without interruption, without "blocks", probably inspired by the
oriental idea that time is never interrupted and not splitable in parts, but
a continuing fluxus representing the whole essence of the universe, always
standing in the present and always accomplishing itself.
graphic ancient art in Japan (in particular polyptics) gives us the same
conclusion, with an important concept : the blank center (i can't find an
example online) also representing that present is only the silence of  time,
in the same way that Holderlin said a "silence splits and binds".
to conclude (not really), some of you talked about Roger Reynolds some times
ago. he was in France for some concerts and a conference some weeks ago and
formulated an interesting definition of "present", which has, according to
him, a duration of only 7 seconds in a composition. a musical block longer
than this is not present anymore : it is memory. his work, he said, tries to
play with those two feelings : feeling of instantaneity and feeling of
memory.
well.... i guess i talk to much...
i just wanted to say that it was interesting you talked about 2 asian
directors concerning a discussion about time...
bye

anDre

ps: thanks for our website. :-D and sorry for my english...

----- Original Message -----
From: "s'agita recordings" <mothra@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [microsound] movie advice

> hi anDre,
> quite a nice list : i would advise "the river " by Tsai Ming-Liang : not
> that it's about time properly, but time is obviously a main element in the
> directing : almost unmoving, static, even the crude remarks of the movie
> plot itself seems to dilate and become something else under the way they
are
> presented. even "the hole" by the same director is worth viewing in my
> opinion ... and, on a totally different side, " scent of green papaya " by
> Truang Nath Hahn ( hope i got it right ) where time seems to be a cradle,
> gently rocking and almost approaching to stillness ...
> by the way - i appreciate the arsonore site quite a bit - meant to contact
> you about it - will probably do so someday :-)
>
> bye,
> paolo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "anDre [arsonore.net]" <andre@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [microsound] movie advice
>
>
> > > any other movie advice, anyone ?
> >
> > my list of time and memory related movies :
> >
> > - Possession / Andrzej Zulawski / 1981 :
> > (Zulawski, to me, is one of the rare filmmakers who understand what
rythm
> > really is.)
> > - Aguirre - Wrath of God / Werner Herzog / 1972 :
> > (another example of time experiment in art cinema - far away from the
> > "memento" simple trick (sorry paolo, i don't like this movie at all) )
> > - L'année dernière à Marienbad / Alain Resnais / 1961 :
> > (where time, memory and love are trapped in a maze of unconsciousness,
> stone
> > and chess games)
> > - Dead Man / Jim Jarmush / 1992 :
> > (a movie about time as a curse, as a poison, as an object of suffering
and
> > extase)
> > - L'aventura / Michelangelo Antonioni / 1960 :
> > (where memory become the only reason to live and despair)
> > - Laura / Otto Preminger / 1944 :
> > (about elaboration of memory and final incarnation of it - David Lynch's
> > Twin Peaks took a lot of ideas from this movie)
> >
> > that's all for now.
> > i come back if i think about something else.
> >
> > anDre
> >
> >
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