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Re: [microsound] industry loses big
Uh oh Kim. Now you gone and done it...
I (think I) made this comment elsewhere today. The most frustrating
thing about all this talk of piracy is that the distinction is
constantly blurred between piracy and file-sharing. I say, fine, go
after all the guys making bootleg Britney Spears discs and selling them
on Canal St. *That* is piracy: someone is making a profit by duplicating
a company's or an artist's product. I think it's great that we have laws
to (attempt to) stop such piracy.
Obtaining a copy of a recording, however, is not, at least in my book,
piracy. In copying a recording, I am not depriving the artist or the
label of anything other than, perhaps, a potential sale. And no one,
myself included, will ever know if I would have bought that recording
had the option of a copy not been there. All the record industry's
boo-hooing about their lost business because of file-sharing is
bullshit. Oh, they may well be losing sales because people can download
music, but THEY CAN NEVER EVER KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE SOLD OTHERWISE.
It's kinda like some sort of philosophical conundrum or time-space
continuum thingy.
Your example about robbing a bank is just dumb; it has nothing to do
with the issue. And stealing one's laptop is (along with all the other
million examples in which someone compares file sharing to stealing
physical property) an incorrect analogy as well: if you take my laptop,
I don't have a laptop anymore. The correct analogy would be: you copy my
song off my laptop... to which, of course, I say fine... help
yourself... (except that I don't own a laptop... know where I can steal
one?)
Finally, I think your most valid point is that no, I wouldn't want Nike
or CNN or just about anyone using my song to hawk their wares. But then,
we're back to the piracy -- i.e. appropriating for commercial use --
issue again. Mr. Blackmarket bootlegging CD's and Mr. Corporateslimebag
swiping my song to use in a commercial is the same thing... and yes,
they should be illegal and I'm glad that they are.
Finally, (one more time)... It is interesting to me how there wasn't
much outcry when people made cassette copies of their friends albums.
Yes, I know the record industry did complain, but they didn't scream
bloody murder like they are now and, more importantly, they didn't have
the disturbingly significant mob of people who believe them like they do
now. So, it was okay when you had to make your copies in real time, the
quality sucked and you could only copy from people you knew?
It's all just silly. Technology making it easier to copy recordings
doesn't make the copying suddenly wrong. The ease of copying and
obtaining copies may well put a big dent in the record industry, but,
I'm sorry, that doesn't make copying wrong either. And frankly, the
record industry deserves all the dents it can get... slimy bastards. And
the whole industry is based on an artificially created shortage
anyway... if the first recording medium had been cheap and easy for the
average joe, there never would have been a recording industry... they
been living on borrowed time.
b
jan.l wrote:
>And since banks no doubt are robbing money from their customers makes it
>perfectly o.k. to go buy a gun from a guy in some alley and start robbing banks.
>
>Actually there are groups that do just this. Mayne you should join?
>
>You may claim you dont like the copyright laws and that makes piracy o.k. I
>might declare I beleive that private property are wrong and take your laptop and
>it would be equally o.k.
>
>Actually the copyright laws are there to protect the artist. It makes sure that
>Dow Chemical cannot use my music in their ads or presentation material. It makes
>sure that CNN cannot use your music without your permission etc. Of course you
>might sell the rights to your music to Sony Music and let them decide.
>
>It may be so that that this cannot be stopped. What will happen then is not that
>you'll get your happy Napster-days back again. What will happen is that the
>corporations will use the situation to their advantage since the copyright laws
>will then be useless and *anyone* (and that includes Sony, Warner and Microsoft)
>can just disregard them and make a buck out of whatever they feel like without
>any permissions or royalties.
>
>If it was o.k. to rob banks or just take your laptop do you even for a moment
>doubt that Microsoft would create an armed bankrobbing division?
>
>A better way to do might be to go along with the corporations and let them
>strengthen the laws as much as they can and then use it to your advantage and
>protection by building your own networked distribution system they cannot abuse.
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>On 03-01-21 hellomynameisphil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (ph!L @ c e n t i b e l) wrote:
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>>"when people talk about 'pirates', we should remember that the music
>>industry is the biggest pirate of all, and has been from the very
>>beginning. Who created the possibility of duplicating and distributing
>>music, if not the record industry itself? You will find the same thing
>>happening at each stage of the technology's evolutionary development -
>>the record industry shoots itself in the foot. One arm is producing
>>music and complaining that technology is making it easier to steal that
>>music, while the other arm is producing the very technology that it
>>claims to be damaging its interests. This was true for cassettes, this
>>was true for CDs, and it is true again for the Internet. Napster is of
>>marginal importance here. Gnutella or Aimster were born within the
>>industry. Both came out of AOL and they escaped like a virus that
>>escapes a laboratory. They try to prevent it, but they can't."
>>
>>Jacques Attali, 2001.
>>full text at: http://www.sinologic.com/newmusic/sub/attali.html
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>>>From: Richard Costelloe
>>>Sent: 1/20/2003 2:36:12 PM
>>>To: microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: RE: [microsound] industry loses big
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>>>Hey, another 80% and we'll really be in business!! : )
>>>Don't forget though... pirating music supports terrorism!!!
>>>
>>>http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0004/propaganda/mp3.cfm
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>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Tim Kugel [mailto:guitardo@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 2:22 PM
>>>To: microsound
>>>Subject: [microsound] industry loses big
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>>>"Losses linked to piracy were up almost 20 per cent, or about
>>>$700m-$800m on the $4.3bn value of illegally copied CDs and internet
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>>>files in 2002, according to internal industry estimates."
>>>http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullSt
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>>ory&c=StoryFT&cid=1042490909139&p=1012571727088
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