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Re: [microsound] the black, the white, and the Mutek @ Stylus



Hi Tobias,

just a few remarks:

"tobias c. van Veen" wrote:

> Is not that which defies explanation--the mystical, the unknowable, of the
> chaos that nonetheless contains meaning--the very *basis* of religious
> hierarchy, and ultimately, the self-destruction of the order to chaos that
> is fascism?

In what sense is the mystical the basis of religious hierarchy?  Of fascism? ???

Mystics have certain religious experiences (experiences which are
non-hierarchical); more often than not they are at the fringes of organized
religions, of churches.  While mystics feel that which cannot be known, churches
manage the distribution of power.  Those two areas are something else
completely.

> The mysticism of the Nuremburg rallies; the magical uses of uniform and
> symbology--the sense that, in the case of National Socialism, its very
> essence was a part of a large, unknowable destiny of the Fatherland that
> simply could not be explained. And that this must be *mastered*, but only
> from the unknowable (again, Pynchon's description of the double-helix
> mineshafts, of the Schwarzkommando all come to mind here).

That fascism made use of of a certain mystification, simulated mystic
experiences and manipulated the need of people for something 'deep' for its own
purposes -- that's true.  But that doesn't make mystic experiences per se
fascist.

At least that's how I see it.

Best,

Dagmar

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