this list is the least banal disinteresting one that i've ever received

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  This part of text is coming from a discussion, Dagmar and I are having 
for some days now. The "results" are planned to be published in the 
theory part of http://www.retinascan.de . Just to add another banal, 
disinteresting thread to the many that take part here (to say it with 
Homer S.: "and if you haven't realised: this is irony - i-r-o-n-y!!!")

>> I think I will come back to that difference later when it comes to 
>> the production of art for individual silent 'consumption' (such as 
>> reading/writing a book or composing/listening to a piece of 
>> experimental electronics) versus art/entertainment for a larger 
>> audience in a group context (such as theater/spectacle or techno music).
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> I'm not sure but I think you haven't come back to this, the difference 
> between social practise in larger groups and the singularisation of 
> silent consumption. May it be that - in a system that controls 
> subjects by singularising them - the production of bedroom music and 
> its reception under headphones and on computer terminals is 
> politically strongly contraproductive, that it supports stagnation?

Did I mean to say that?  Not as bluntly, but now that you put it that 
way ... Hell that's a very tricky question but full to the point I 
think.  I wish others would join the debate here, because I can't claim 
to know the answer.  It makes so much sense to put it that way.  On the 
other hand I am a subject so much trained by singularisation.  Some 
things one can only find out alone, I am sure about that, at least 
people raised the way we were here in the modern West.  The tradition of 
silently mulling over either a question or a piece of music, the 
tradition of perceiving something "unconditioned by others around" ... 
but that is certainly a somewhat impoverished experience compared to 
shared experiences (this is not yet a political argument, merely an 
aesthetic one).  When it comes to the political dimension, it makes 
sense that silent, singularised consumption must be counterproductive.  
On the other hand, to cite a somewhat polemic example, I can't see much 
of political transformation in a rock concert filling a soccer stadium 
either.

Just another thought that might be important in this special thread is 
the difference between artist and consumer. I'm not sure if thiswill 
help, if this is even just evident, but I realized that we both are 
talking from different angles of the field we're moving on. I will 
copy/paste this out of the discussion and put it in the mailing list to 
get some input. List, please take over!

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>( 03.03.01 14:22 -0500 ) DEVON ARMSTRONG:
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>>i can't understand how so many people can be interested in so much
>>shit!
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>so why do you keep digging through it? [...]
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>it's probably better to stay a lurker.
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No way!
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