Re: [microsound] The Aesthetics of Noise

[dbuchwald <dagmar.buchwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

The URL of the German page about "noise" in music which contains also a
reference to Rebel:
http://www.michael-iber.de/scripts/NOISE/hauptteil_noise.html

Dagmar

jamie wrote:

> Dagmar,
>
> If we take the Cage discovery, when he experienced the sound in an anachoic
> chamber, to be true then noise has always been a part of "music". It's more
> about what we choose to actively hear (listen) which defies noise.
> There are a lot of examples of imitating noise in old music. There are
> examples of Music imitating environmental sound in many composed pieces of
> (usually) the distant past.
> This makes me wonder to what extent music written in the days of royal
> patronage was heard or actively listened to. How "ambient" was it in real
> terms.
> I'm sceptical about the existence of a 17th/18th century composer called
> Rebel, but I so want it to be true.
> Do you know where Henry Cowell's cluster based piano music fits in with
> Russolo? And ideas are so common, is being first on the scene of any
> significance to us any more?
>
> Jamie
>
> on 6/3/03 7:07 pm, dbuchwald at dagmar.buchwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > Thanks for that, informative article.  He mentions however, Russolo as
> > the first musician to consciously use "noise" in his music.  That's
> > probabaly true in the strict sense of the term "noise".  But I was
> > delighted to find a few years gao -- by chance -- a 17th century
> > composer, Jean-Féry Rebel (1666-1747) who composed a piece called "Les
> > elemens" (The elements).  For the first movement - "Le Cahos" - he wanted
> > to "depict" chaos in music.  Of course, he could only do it with
> > classical instruments.  But he comes very close to, well, not directly
> > noise, but a cluster of sounds so to speak.  I found that very remarkable
> > for the time, although it was not done as music for music's sake but in
> > order to "represent" something; chaos, as he imagined it.
> >
> > If someone in the list could point out other early "experimentalists" I
> > would be very interested.
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Dagmar
> >
> >
>
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