Re: [microsound] war

[Tim Kugel <guitardo@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

America isn't nirvana, nowhere would be - no doubt we could improve

But stop the blabber about us having the most "freedom" -
US is 17th in press freedom
http://www.e-thepeople.org/a-national/article/12706/view?viewtype=best

Others statistics involving pollution, child mortality, health care etc. show
America in a poor light. Just because I am OK doesn't mean most of my
countrymen are.  I myself (I think also Rudy) have lived in many places - so it
is a bit easier to compare systems fairly. I like the pace of life and many of
the values in certain Arabic countries I've visited.

Oregon law to equate certain protests with "terror" (sound like Saddam?)
http://www.rense.com/general36/warpro.htm

BTW - our "allies" in the "moderate" Arab states and Israel produced so much
hated of America with the cutting of of hands, the torture, and the bulldozing
of homes, the fighting unfair fights with disproportionate armies - that is why
9-11 happened.

A statement like "they hate our freedoms" is essentially so undefined as to be
rendered meaningless. Perhaps "they" hate the fact that America takes the
dignity out of life with its non stop hypocrisy, racism and objectification of
religion, children, sex and commerce.

Yes a Lexus is just yuppie porn.  I used to like living here more when
"science" hadn't helped us all so much. To use one example, the US highway
system. (did you see the one in Baghdad? Guess who built it and took the
cash?).

I still love lots of America and lots of Americans - but facts are facts.
Btw Rudy - we were told things about the former USSR like "all religion has
been wiped out and all religious leaders killed"  in the 60s and 70s (also the
same kind of equating all civilians with leadership or the supposed doctrine).
Much much more. Propaganda works well when mixed with truth. When I read
"Cancer Ward" it was the first time I knew there WAS a Soviet dissident!! I was
told you were all fire breathing, true believer "evil" commies until Alexander
Solzhenitsyn.

No doubt you have also gathered we won WWII w/o much help except from Churchill
(the man who gassed Afghanistan). We "rescued" the French etc.
tim

spw wrote:

> The rest of the world, the majority of the Earths population do not enjoy
> the freedom
> Americans take for granted.
> On one hand it's easy for x-gens to protest and criticize the government but
> it's hard for them to go out
> and vote especially during close elections and on the local level and then
> people turn around criticize the president.
> It goes to show we live in a superficial, spoiled society.
> Are American troops marching into Iraq with holding a bible and cross trying
> to convert Iraqi's?
> No.
> Are they fininding increasing evidence of the use of the pontential use
> chemical weapons and human attracities like mass graves?
> Yes.
> Compared to S.H. is George Bush a bad person?
> I dont think so.
>
> on 4/6/03 6:55 AM, jan.larsson at jlarsson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > actually. according to george w. bush it is. do yourself a favour and
> > listen to what he says sometime.
> >
> > does it worry you at all that no one in the world, except for the 10-15
> > in the current fundamentalist US christian regime that control the US,
> > actually beleive or has any proof or can even make any sense out of the
> > statements from the US regime that tries to connect Mr. Hussein with
> > terrorists like bin Laden??
> >
> > exactly what is a "suicide bomber" when it comes to war? you should
> > recognize that with another filter they can be described as  "brave",
> > "heroes" etc.  with another filter it *is* war when you are attacked
> > and killed by military forces and you homes bulldozed ... oh, sorry
> > thats some other US-financed conflict ... we'll stick to one at a time.
> >
> > your outlook on the world is extreme übermensch, you know whats best
> > for everyone right? why bother with elections? why not just let you and
> > your friends decide ... ohhh, sorry again. my mistake. that's just what
> > the small group that has taken control of the US is doing ;=))
>
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