Re: xenakis quote source

["dp" <dp@xxxxxxxxxx>]

>> i tend to think that this whole argument (which i do not know 
>> since i haven't read "Formalized Music") should be somewhat 
>> transposed, or at least the word "intelligence" be omitted. 
> 
> You are reading it too literally.  Another quote from _Formalized Music_
> might help:
> "(...) the effort to make art while geometrizing, that is, by giving it a
> reasoned support less perishable than the impulse of the moment, and hence
> more serious, more worthy of the fierce fight which the human intelligence
> wages in all other domains (...)" 
> 
> I bought this book as soon as it came out on Pendragon Press in 1992.  It
> was an illuminating read, and I do it again every couple of years, and I
> heartily recommend it.  You don't have to share the same mindset to
> appreciate it -- there is a quote by Wolfgang Rihm praising the paradigm
> shift the book has created in him, and his music has little in common with
> Xenakis'. 
> 
> Cheers,
> //paulo 
> 

thanx. really appreciated. it seems really interesting, so i'll have
a look at the book as soon as i can. 

however i tend to disagree (as you said, it can happen...):
i think that most of the post-digital music with all the use of
faiulure and crashes, is almost opposite to this "intelligence" thing.
the stuff was analyzed and understood after (at least for the
majority of the people doing music). 

often i find the meaning of what i've done after i look at it.
it reveals itself to me. is it worth anything then? 

having a theorical edifice doesn't necessarily give birth to art. 

 

>Shannon's model only works for networks like telephony and data
>transfer...not humans...

music is data transfer. 

the human part is in the decoding and composing. 

and from these quotes it really seems that Xenakis approves only
music which derives from a rigid scheme on which people can have
nice long discussions on a theorical basis. 

music doesn't even need words to be appreciated. 

what about all the randomness in life? 

by the way, yesterday night i had a hard time falling asleep, so
i got up and fiddling with illustrator i came up with a personal
proposal for the t-shirt. do i have to send it to the list
or to someone in particular? 

what filetype? 

it's nothing special, and it was influenced by the impulse
(impulse vs impulsiveness, digital precision vs human faultness)
which i've been seeing a lot lately... 

very minimal. 

any way, the quote by Tobias is much better than the one by Xenakis,
which sounds so pretentious. 

cheers. 

 -l-@dp 

 

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