Re: [microsound] noise?

[urkuma urkuma <urkuma2@xxxxxxxx>]

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totally in agreement wiht Reed!!!
also, noise is dealing in audio sensitivity tout-court...somenthing like an "ocean of noise" to dive in...if you don't go deep inside you don't feel\ear\see better
ciao
urkuma

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David Reed <reedreedreed@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I really think you are over-intellectualizing the whole thing. If you 
don't like it of don't "get" it then don't listen to it. No one is 
forcing you to listen to noise. If you want to be analyze something into 
insignificance just listen to jazz. For me personally, really good 
harsh noise connects with the lower portions of my brain-stem...more of 
a transcendental feel in the lizard areas of my brain than something I 
sit and dissect as some kind of worthless musicological endeavor. The 
same thing that hits me when listening ot good metal hits me when 
listening to good noise. Think of it more along the lines of a 
religious experience and less like sitting around trying to impress your 
friends or girls with your intellect. I am assuming you have some sort 
of Arts degree and love to show off all the accumulated knowledge you 
have gained...maybe I am wrong but I have encountered this attitude 
before. Enjoy your stay in the Ivory Tower of academics.
That said: it helps to listen to a ton of noise and be familiar 
with how certain sounds are generated to appreciate it better. For 
instance: listening to Merzbow's Venerology was at first totally 
overwhelming (but connected with a primal/atavistic part of me). Now 
that I know how he is generating sounds and I listen to it as I would 
anything else but it still retains its impact.
Maybe you don't care. I just feel the need to defend things you so 
easily discount because of some hard-wired personal bias. Remember that 
just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is not valid. In 
conclusion I have to say that you ARE missing the point. Sorry about 
your luck.
> Hello Microsound,
>
> Perhaps those on this list with an interest in "noise" can explain the 
> form to me.
>
> I have studied music is all its forms, from the beginnings of western 
> music to the deterioration of sound art into concept - an yet, i still 
> have no solid appreciation for the modern pandemic of "noise". I post 
> this here because I am actively looking for a persuasive argument which 
> would sway my extreme aversion to this form of modern music. Let the 
> diatribe begin.
>
> I am aware that much of modern conceptual art regards aestheticism and 
> execution as wholly irrelevant to the work - but I ask you noisemakers, 
> how many different types of noises can we fill our artificial world 
> with before the level of unstructured information becomes totally 
> overwhelming - and by overwhelming i mean just giving me a fucking 
> headache. Is it structured and i merely do not have the codec to make 
> sense of the information stream? How can I as a listener, as an 
> audience, as a musician, tell if the producer of said noise understands 
> what they are doing - or if the discovery of the noises that their 
> electronic and software circuits can produce has merely triggered the 
> most base of adolescent fascinations - i do it because i can - aka - 
> why not?.
>
> Need I sit through 30 minutes of a gurgling sound mixed with shrill 
> piercing waveform in order to learn that the artist was utterly 
> obsessed with the process of this sound's inception. Does it ultimately 
> matter to the audience if what s/he produced was the result of a 
> sonified neural network? Must I read a 5 page essay or attend a lecture 
> to understand what I am listening to? Maybe so.
>
> I am obviously missing the point. I cannot even begin to give you the 
> names of the artisans whose work I am speaking of, so those who know, 
> please let me know who I am talking about.
>
> So here are my questions about the form in a nutshell:
> 1. What is "noise" communicating and to what audience?
> 2. Why?
> "intensity of experience" is an unacceptable answer (which i have 
> already been given).
>
> It may well be that noise is the gateway to a higher level of musical 
> structures and possibilities - like the Kurzweilian (is that a word 
> yet?) vision of future music being so sonically and structurally 
> advanced that it is rendered uninterpretable by those without the 
> proper implants.
>
> Best to all you noise makers and listeners,
> David Michael
>
>
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