From: graham miller <grahammiller@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [microsound] white middle class music
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:44:05 -0500
your chief must have tons of air miles:)
Jose Lopez wrote:
> Hi everyone, I am really confused about certain comments.
> Is anybody here under the impression that people in places like, let's
say
> for instance: latinoamerica; have no access to computers? Believe it or
not,
> people used to ask me if we had credit cards in latinamerica, I used to
say:
> "Yes, we have one, but only the chief is allowed to use it".
> The fact that some people are unable to find information regarding
artists
> in latinamerica [just an example because I grew up there] does not mean
that
> they don't exist. Different environments have different networking
sistems.
> The difference maybe is that I can have access to the latinamerican
> electronic environment using the internet, and I also have access to the
> european/us/canadian/etc or whatever "geopolitical zone" you want to
> designate for "whites" [whatever that means].
> Just as an example: at the end of last year I played in Colombia, in
January
> in Mexico, in February I performed in Chile, this month in San Diego
> California, and in May I'll be playing Lima-Peru. I don't see the
diference,
> all the places have an environment for this kind of music or any kind of
> music.
> Actually the one with less audiende of the ones I mentioned will
probably be
> San Diego, [is just a problem of communication maybe].
> Is it true that there are differences between worlds, but, having access
to
> the work of "non-white" experimental sound artists is more a problem of
> attitude that of lack of existence.
> I can pick up 40 cds of south american electronic/sound artists from my
> shelve [yes there are that many around ;)] and find their music and
> information either trough P2P or just browsing on the internet.
> Things like how much money you have or not, on the other hand, should
not be
> even part of the disscusion, however I am happy for the person that has
"all
> the money I need and then some." I hope that helps in the musical
process.
> Hummmmm.......I am white, do I get extrapoints?
> Saludos,
>
> N.
>
> >From: "jan.larsson" <jan.l@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: [microsound] white middle class music
> >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:19:22 +0200
> >
> >
> >My apology to Canada which has a very evolved and interesting
electronic
> >music culture with an impressive history. Those who live in Canada are
of
> >course as evil as the rest of us ;=)
> >
> >I also generalized by using the word "white". I dont think skin-color
has
> >anything to do with this. I myself live in europe, have all the money I
> >need and then some. I'm as much part of this as anyone else.
> >
> >Perhaps it would be wiser to use the term "geopolitical zones" rather
than
> >specific country names.
> >
> >But I stand by my original statement. What is available on P2P is what
> >interest a very limited demographic young middle-class audience in
europe
> >and northern america. Before I answered this I picked 40 CD:s from my
shelf
> >and found only five (5) of the artists on P2P. These are not difficult
or
> >particularly fancy records, just records I bought on travels and in
various
> >stores around town here. Those five found were all US artists or
english
> >speaking european artists.
> >
> >Without having any clue or real data to back this up whatsoever I'd
even
> >claim that microsound music sits neatly and exclusively in the western
> >middle/upper-class. Is this a problem? I dont think so, not as long as
you
> >are aware of it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Kim Cascone wrote:
> > >
> > >>>there is not much freedom of choice either. what you can find on
the
> >p2p ne=
> > >>>tworks is mostly only stuff that interest white middle-class youth
in
> >the U=
> > >>>S and maybe europe. the ones that get their bandwidth usage paid by
mom
> >and=
> > >>>dad. I tried finding even the most interesting artists from a
selection
> >of=
> > >>>countries around the world and they are just not available.=20
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>% I would have to disagree somewhat with this comment...while the
> >'digital
> > >>divide' .possibly. privileges white middle class kids - brandishing
> > >>computers and internet connections paid for by mom and dad - there
is
> >also a
> > >>lot of non-white music (music made by musicians who are not white)
to be
> > >>found...so while it might be mostly white kids who are file trading
> >(which I
> > >>am not so sure of) there is a wealth of diverse musical styles to be
> >found
> > >>via p2p...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Emailing from Canada, I disagree as well with the "US and maybe
Europe
> > >reference".
> >
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