RE: [microsound] process and preset [was: Re: [microsound] ovalprocess - Average laptop geek?]

[COSTELLOE Richard <Richard.COSTELLOE@xxxxxxxxx>]

just read this in the sunday papers this week. seems like one way to 
find out if what you're doing is art... (what would McDonna think?!) 

Consider Aaron Barschak, the so-called comedy terrorist who gate-crashed
Prince William's 21st birthday party. In October 2003, he appeared in
court on a charge of criminal damage. Barschak had interrupted a talk by
Jake and Dinos Chapman at the Modern Art Oxford gallery. The Chapman
brothers were discussing their exhibit The Rape of Creativity, which
features cartoon heads superimposed on a series of etchings by Goya.
Barschak had splashed red paint on one of the artworks, and on Jake
Chapman, shouting: "Viva Goya!" He claimed he was creating his own
artwork, made out of another's art just as the Chapmans had adapted
Goya, and that he intended to enter his work for the Turner prize.
Finding him guilty, district judge Brian Loosley said: 

"This is a serious offence of wanton destruction of a work of art . . .
Even by modern standards and even stretching the imagination to
incredulity, this was not the creation of a work of art."




-----Original Message-----
From: aleks vasic [mailto:bvasic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: 25 May 2005 17:38
To: microsound
Subject: Re: [microsound] process and preset [was: Re: [microsound]
ovalprocess - Average laptop geek?]

Out of curiosity, what can one consider,"not art"?


aLEKs


On May 25, 2005, at 10:34 AM, jeff gburek wrote:

> if art speaks for itself, what speaks for what cannot
> be considered art? my contention is that art is just a
> way that we realize our own narcssism and
> self-importance over and over again... but that there
> is another way of working out of art and science into
> a different actualization...
>
> jeff gburek
>
> www.djalma.com
>
> --- "Mr.D" <craque@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> this discussion reminds me of the
>> work of composers like Partch,
>> Nancarrow and even Scriabin who
>> approached the realization of their
>> ideas as problems to be solved.
>>
>> while none of them have anything
>> to do with electronic music, they
>> all took "presets" and used them
>> either in new ways or modified to
>> fit their needs. the "process" of
>> doing this had really nothing to do
>> with the work itself, but was
>> essential to its creation.
>>
>> the results of these efforts are
>> evident in how the piece works,
>> how it looks & sounds. i can figure
>> out how to make something appear
>> a certain way (eg. monolake track)
>> without ever using the same tools,
>> and at the same time use ALL the
>> same presets and never sound
>> anything like the original.
>>
>> in other words, using tools another
>> artist uses does not a chicken make!
>> i also dont agree that this is a
>> discussion of ethics; if anything it's
>> symantics, because one composer's
>> process may include any number
>> of "presets", including itself.
>>
>> i guess i am firmly in the
>> art-speaks-for-itself camp. the
>> act of imitation is a natural step
>> in the creative process, so i think
>> comparing the relative merits of a
>> piece based on its origin isnt quite
>> fair to the artist or participant,
>> though as theory and philosophy
>> the creative process remains
>> infinitely fascinating.
>>
>> matt
>> ___
>> http://craque.net
>>
>>
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