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Re: [microsound] outsider artists



I know you never stated it was. That's why I asked you a question - to find out. I was interested in your point of view - being that this is a discussion list. Sorry to have made you so defensive.

look, forget it. This as pointless and very boring for the list to read I'm sure. I'm bored now.

R


On 29 May 2005, at 13:40, aleks vasic wrote:

Never stated it was, you said i was missing the point somewhat, which i think is rather assumptive on your part, unnless you have some point of reference that i am unaware about.


aLEKs


On May 28, 2005, at 7:25 AM, Richard Whitelaw wrote:


On 27 May 2005, at 16:31, aleks vasic wrote:

Have you heard him perform? If you have tell me that he does not play the same chord progression every song, shure he may alter the key,but its the same? At least when i saw him perform twice he did.

Is this a problem for you then?

Richard




aLEKs

On May 27, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Richard Whitelaw wrote:

err...

Wesley Willis is dead

and saying that every song sounds the same is maybe missing the point somewhat

http://www.alternativetentacles.com/bandinfo.php?band=wesleywillis

Richard


On 27 May 2005, at 13:48, aleks vasic wrote:

Wesley Willis has a Rockstar tour bus. He commands a pretty high penny for his performances. I know as my friend is a promoter who has booked him three times. Besides demanding strange things like a gallon of soy milk along with a 12 pack of diet/sugarfree/caffiene free/ coke, he also demands quite a bit of money. He must be doing pretty well if he can pay the upkeep of that tour bus, or pay for its lease and fuel, whatever the case may be. Granted he has someone managing his tour and he would be incapable of organizing any of this himself, it still amazes me that he can generate such a turnout.

He is also quite a gifted self taught artist. His pen and ink drawings of the chicago skyline are really nice. He sells these at most of his shows.

Has anyone else seen Wesley Willis perform? Is it just me or does every song, musically, sound the same? Just a different set of lyrics for each song!?!


aLEKs




On May 27, 2005, at 6:43 AM, Richard Whitelaw wrote:

It is worth bearing in mind that Irwin has done a lot to promote and disseminate the work of some of the most marginalised and off the radar US musicians - Peter Grudzien, Judson Fountain and R. Stevie Moore being good examples.

point 2 is wrong - if you have read his book you will note that while he drawn connections between Beefheart and Partch this is not judgmental as regards quality of work. Outsider music is not a genre but a concept for considering the output of an extremely diverse group of musicians, some commercially successful (like Beefheart and Syd Barrett) and others less so (Shooby Taylor, Wesley Willis). Concepts of good, bad, better and worse tend to become meaningless when discussing much of this music.

cheers

Richard


On 26 May 2005, at 19:22, jacob felix heule wrote:

I'm not really into Irwin Chusid. Two reasons: (1) He looks at his
subjects with mockery. He talks about Jandek, but only derides him for
being the worst "musician" ever to attempt making a record. I don't
think he sees anything in music like that other than a weird cultural
phenomenon to archive, make fun of, and profit from. (2) He classes
artists like Harry Partch and Captain Beefheart alongside artists like
Wesley Willis and Shooby Taylor. There are major differences between
these two groups, which I think should be clear to anyone here.


jacob

On 5/25/05, ian stewart <artsonics@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
the intrepid diy-music preservationist, Irwin Chusid. He is also, of course, the
author of Songs in the Key of Z: The Curious Universe of Outsider Music
(2000, A Cappella Books).
-- http://heule.us

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