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Re: [microsound] re: looking for lygeti MIDI file?



seriously though, what chance would anyone in their right mind have in
spotting a copyright infraction of a ligeti sample? it's not exactly ode
to joy... three seconds of any given piece could slide by even the most
devote enthusiast, in the right recontextualization, not that i'd have
anything to do with it... wink wink nudge nudge say no more say no more...

You are right when it comes to a sample and if it's processed unrecognizably. Then again the ability to spot anything processed unrecognizably is an oxymoron, right?


But you asked about a midi file, not a sample. And I'll agree that the copyright issue isn't going to stop someone... but it will effectively keep it off the searchable www.

For what it's worth there's a fairly large hobby in Japan called DTM. It's all about tweaking XG and GM gear to accurately arrange all sorts of stuff. There are monthly magazines and sections in most big electronic shops. People pay to get examples from pros (like Hideki Logic System Matsutake, YMO's programmer), though of course the real money is in ringtones. It's usually a hobby though I'm sure some people want to adapt licensed pop songs for game soundtracks where they can't include the actual recording. But these people are unlikely to be into avant garde music and copyright keeps it off freely accessible servers if there is some.

i wonder how many people's first ligeti experience was
kubrick's 2001 space odyssey?

Definitely! I had it as a kid on 8 track cartridge!

So a sample from that album is going to be many times easier to spot than something else by him if one were to swipe stuff.

I haven't read any interviews but supposedly he hated it's use because as I understood he didn't feel it was supposed to depict outer space. Anyone have some actual quotes from Ligeti regarding 2001? None the less you heard more Ligeti in part replacing original Wendy Carlos music in "The Shining", though you hear more Bartok and some Penderecki too. (Carlos did a lot of music for the Shining of which about 5 minutes were used, the most interesting unused parts of which were released recently). "Eyes Wide Shut" used an existing Ligeti work as the main piano theme, but you might not recognize it as Ligeti. There was some original music by J.Pook too.

If you don't know the history, 2001 was originally meant to be scored by Alex North, who scored other Kubrick films. He scored about a the first third (there's a re-recording of it available), but Kubrick was so taken by the temp tracks he chose from his record collection that he paid North and then licensed the recordings. Most professional directors and music editors use temp tracks to have music on the film before the original music is written. It serves too purposes. It lets everyone who needs to know have an example of the nature of the music that the director thinks is okay. It also is often there so the money people don't hear "dead air" and worry the film is boring or too long. The danger is the temp tracks sound too good and the film's commissioned composer can't create new music with the same impact. It's facinating the Kubrick used "Atmospheres" (and other works) much like atmosphere, functioning in an ambient context . Scoring in a film score tradition like North did would never have had the same effect and I doubt he would or could have created similar tonalities. It's a mystery how he might have handled the last and very subjective portion of the film.


nicholas d. kent http://technopop.info/ndkent/

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