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Re: [microsound] Take it elsewhere?
for what it's worth, i see no reason to do anything of the sort.
i do not see how you can make anything like a compelling argument that the
relationship between cultural production and the contexts that shape it is
somehow "off topic" on a list made up largely of folk who engage in cultural
production.
as for the last thread on this topic--maybe it will function as an object
lesson and would result in a more coherent and less needlessly snarky
discussion this time.
if people disagree about how to characterise the contexts.....then so what?
they disagree......disagreement can be constructive even....it is possible
to maintain civility across disagreement...if that breaks down, the problem
is not the disagreement but how folk choose to comport themselves in the
face of it.
that was the problem in the last thread, not the subject matter.
On 9/26/06, Jason Hollis <contact@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Lovely discussion, really.
> Much more sanity than the last completely off topic geopolitical thread.
>
> But given that it is totally off topic,
> and given the ludicrous mudfest that the last one became,
> can we maybe nix this one?
>
> ~ !J!
> http://www.endif.org
> http://www.crunchpod.com
> http://www.thirdwavecollective.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bryan garcia" <brymoxine@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 4:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [microsound] Revitalization
>
>
> > can we explore, for the sake of context, what other
> > dynamics might be born of other global political
> > systems ?
> >
> > i'm thinking socialism, communism, agrarianism,
> > utopianism, fascism - etc. what could those systems
> > offer that dont get us bogged down into some other
> > negative dynamic.
> >
> >
> > also i wonder if there are any positive dynamics
> > resulting of the global capitalistic economic system ?
> > perhaps this system can be tweaked to arrange the
> > types of outcomes we prefer. ones instead of war and
> > fanaticism. can capitalism's inherent tendency of
> > competition be tweaked to a less harmfull version ?
> > examples of profit sharing companies, and co-op
> > ownership of properties(equity) are progressive forms
> > of this same capitialistic economy.
> >
> > i would be interested in what people imagine can
> > happen under alternative global political systems ?
> > i.e.(nazism ?)
> >
> > and if those systems can function any better than
> > global capitalism has.
> >
> > theoritcally,
> >
> > b.g.
> >
> >
> > --- David Powers <cyborgk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> The tendency to activate deterritorializing forces
> >> of progress that
> >> sweep away the old forms, on the one hand, and to
> >> activate intense
> >> reterritorializations, such as violent
> >> fundamentalisms and
> >> nationalisms, is itself a dynamic that is internally
> >> generated by
> >> global capitalism. The reterritorializations and are
> >> not a form of
> >> resistance to modernization, but are part of the
> >> same dynamic.
> >> Furthermore, this dynamic is not the result of some
> >> ahistorical,
> >> eternal law but rather is a tendency of the global
> >> political-economic
> >> system in its current form. Different
> >> political-economic systems would
> >> generate different dynamics.
> >>
> >> ~David
> >>
> >> On 9/26/06, { brad brace } <bbrace@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > A maintaining dynamic provides stability, while a
> >> > modernizing dynamic forces change. We tend to be
> >> satisfied
> >> > with a view of the world as a theatre of conflict
> >> between
> >> > stability and change. Collecting a congeries of
> >> phenomena
> >> > under the rubric of modernization, we project a
> >> future that
> >> > will be purified in a certain direction. With only
> >> the
> >> > craven desire for stability to overcome, the
> >> victory of
> >> > modernization seems assured, and the world must
> >> progress
> >> > toward the mechanized, the artificial, the
> >> commercial, the
> >> > secular, the individual, and the international.
> >> There is,
> >> > however, an oppositional force of self-conscious
> >> resistance
> >> > on behalf of the bodily, the natural, the
> >> creative, the
> >> > sacred, the collective, and the local. This
> >> countervailing
> >> > force is underestimated because we have not yet
> >> learned, as
> >> > we have with modernization, to gather its
> >> disparate signs
> >> > under one label. Oppositional actions do not
> >> connect
> >> > directly; they align independently in negative
> >> response to
> >> > modernization, the force also called, depending
> >> upon
> >> > context, progress, development, secularization,
> >> > industrialization, westernization, or colonialism.
> >> The goal
> >> > is not maintenance; the orientation is
> >> progressive, but the
> >> > dynamic is recursive. The mind scans the past to
> >> imagine
> >> > the future. Consider the popularity of hobbies
> >> involving
> >> > handicraft, the concern for environmental
> >> conservation and
> >> > historic preservation, the profusion of civic
> >> festivals, the
> >> > resurgence of ethnic identity, the escalation of
> >> nativism,
> >> > and nationalism, the institution of reactionary
> >> values in
> >> > politics and education, the convergence of
> >> alternative
> >> > ideology and spiritual yearning in religious
> >> revival, the
> >> > new age cults, in Christianity and Judaism, in
> >> Buddhism,
> >> > Hinduism, and Islam. In detail it is too much to
> >> encompass:
> >> > The Mahabharata in ninety-three installments on
> >> Indian
> >> > television, mosques destroyed in Bosnia and built
> >> in
> >> > Afghanistan, powpows in Oklahoma, martial arts in
> >> Japan, new
> >> > music in Colombia, glass painting in Poland and
> >> Romania,
> >> > rosemaling in Norway and Wisconsin, political
> >> order in Iran,
> >> > rebellion in Chechnya, separatism in Quebec,
> >> fundamentalism
> >> > in Christianity, the Mao cult in China, Kwanzaa in
> >> > Philadelphia, the Eid parade in Dhaka city,
> >> Saraswati Puja
> >> > at Jagannath Hall... But take it all together,
> >> name it
> >> > revitalization, and it is a power to balance
> >> modernization.
> >> >
> >> > brad brace sound:
> >> > http://69.64.229.114:8000
> >> > http://bbrace.net/undisclosed.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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