Re: [microsound] context

[jeff gburek <tsazmaniac@xxxxxxxxx>]

i just finished a composition course and conversations
with lachenmann and when i showed him my music set up
he said "if you invent your own system then you cant
make any mistakes". but it is a tricky thing. partch
took it to making his own orchestras. but we inherit
tools and materials that are preconditioned by
history. so innovation for innovation's sake is like
art for art's sake. what is neccessary then is an acid
against the concept of art itself. and to clear a
space in which it can be comprehended. it takes a
life-time...

--- Paulo Mouat <paulo.mouat@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I guess the phrase "premiered under MTT directing"
> was the source of
> confusion. MTT invited Reich to perform that work
> with himself and
> members of the BSO in Boston, in 1971.
> 
> On the topic of innovation, I would add to
> paraphrases from Varese,
> given he was already mentioned in this thread:
> "Modern composers are
> not ahead of their time; it is the audience that is
> behind" and "the
> true artist creates the rules by which he creates
> his work." However
> arrogant these might seem at first glance, it should
> be noted that
> Varese expressed these thoughts in full awareness of
> tradition and
> definitely not (as it was in e.g. Ligeti's case)
> innovation for
> innovation's sake ("one must always strive for the
> new, at all
> costs"). Somehow Varese's stance seems much more
> legitimate than
> Ligeti's.
> 
> //p
> http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/
> 
> On 9/16/06, Randal  Davis
> <randal_davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > You are, I am afraid, incorrect, Paulo.  The
> reference was, and is, to Four
> > Organs (1970).  Come Out and It's Gonna Rain, the
> two principal surviving
> > early tape works are dated 1966 and 1965,
> respectively.
> >
> > Four Sections (1987) was indeed recorded by the
> LSO, MTT conducting, but the
> > performance of Four Organs to which I refer
> occured, under MTT's direction,
> > while he was MD of the BSO, in October, 1971.
> >
> > So that we do not belabor the discussion with any
> further performance and
> > discographical histories, Four Organs was first
> performed at the Guggenheim
> > Museum (NYC) in May, 1970, and several times
> thereafter in gallery/museum
> > settings.  The performance I refer to did,
> however, mark the first major
> > appearance of his work outside of conspicuously
> avant-garde venues.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paulo Mouat" <paulo.mouat@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [microsound] context
> >
> >
> > > You probably mean Four Sections and not Four
> Organs. And it is 1987,
> > > some 20 years after his early tape works.
> > >
> > > //p
> > > http://www.interdisciplina.org/00.0/
> > >
> > > On 9/16/06, Randal  Davis
> <randal_davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > Absolutely correct, Ian, in your fundamental
> point, which is why, in my
> > > > original post, the word "accident" was
> bracketed.  I do deny the
> > mechanisms
> > > > of Reich's historical embedding in the least. 
> I sought only to sketch a
> > few
> > > > possible modalities of what "historical
> engagement" has meant.
> > > >
> > > > At the same time, I am less sanguine about
> your conclusion, that
> > "therefore
> > > > a historical framework that legitimized his
> discovery as one of artistic
> > > > merit had been established."
> > > >
> > > > Not so many years after his initial tape
> works, Reich premiered Four
> > Organs,
> > > > under the direction of Michael Tilson Thomas,
> in the context of a
> > decidedly
> > > > non-avant-garde milieu, with results that
> nearly provoked a riot - see
> > his
> > > > own, and MTT's accounts of this.
> > > >
> > > > Again, I think, we see different modes of
> historical legitimation in
> > > > operation.  Yes?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your articulate response - I hope
> the list continues the
> > > > discussion in this manner.
> > >
> > >
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