Re: [microsound] Greenpeace and apple

[xe non <xenone23@xxxxxxxxx>]

it drastically oversimplifies the situation which makes it at best misguided.

Neil Wiernik <neil@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:  

its not a wierd rant at all...
its basic look in your own trash can before complaining about others 
trash...


On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, xe non wrote:

> what a strange rant...
>
> yes, every environmentalist struggles with the contradictions of being "in the world" when it comes to effective activism and they make thier peace with the compromises they know they will have to make somewhere around thier sophmore year at college. yes, they will probably have to use cars, yes they will have to live in buildings made with wood, yes they will use electricity and do thier work with wasteful and toxic technology...if they choose to stay engaged with society in order to help change it yes. this is a realists approach. will they minimize all this...most likely, as best thay can.
>
> i suppose greenpeace could eschew all the tools of the modern world and try to communicate the information they have and coordinate thier campaigns from a computerless shack in the woods in order to meet your peerless standards for acceptable activism, but we all know how well that turned out for the unabomber and all concerned.
>
> this campaign is an unusually refreshing for the effective way it calls attention to the problem of toxic waste from computers in general. targeting the company with the most eco-friendly public image that it doesnt live up to, seems an effective way to accomplish that goal. at least it is done with good-humour and stays focused on the problem, or do you prefer the kaczynski method?
>
> xe
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> Neil Wiernik wrote:
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>
> the larger question is does green peace use computers at all as if they do
> they to are part of the problem and not the solution if they want to spin
> things that way any how...
> why dont they look at how computers as a whole work for them...
> rather then against..
> Im sure they use a fine number of IBM products and we all know who IBM
> helped in world war 2... i think rather then talkign like they are holier
> then now they need to look in thier own back yards.. I mean what powers
> thier boats GAS who makes the GAS...
> I am a political person but when grassroot organisations dont take the
> time to look in their own back yard before pointing fingers it pisses me
> off!!!
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Steffan De Turck wrote:
>
>> unfortunately Greenpeace is more about demonizing
>> specific companies then making a POINT
>>
>> e.g. Shell instead of Exxon Mobile, BP, Q8, Texaco,
>> Esso etc. etc. etc.
>>
>> and now Apple?...
>>
>>
>>
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>>>> It seems a bit too trendy a campaign for me -- why
>>> not talk about
>>>> all PC manufacturers, the full scope of the
>>> problem, and work for
>>>> enacting national legislation following the
>>> progressive European
>>>> lead in this area? Targeting a single company
>>> seems gratuitous...
>>
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