Re: [microsound] Getting started

[Xdugef <info@xxxxxxxxxx>]

oh no you didn't!

--- Graham Miller <grahammiller@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> that's true. mostly because there are a lot of suckers out there that
>  
> still think hardware is better than software;)
> 
> On 14-May-07, at 7:28 PM, Xdugef wrote:
> 
> > Well one thing is for sure is that it's much easier to sell
> standalone
> > gear for what you paid for or even more in some cases if it was
> custom
> > gear etc. Good luck getting your investment back on 3-4 year old
> > software. ;-)
> >
> > AD
> >
> >
> >>
> >> in music, both academic and popular.  music that uses presets is
> >> largely deemed inauthentic and therefor has less cultural worth.
> and
> >>
> >> it is quickly exposed.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I guess what I mean to say is that to 'start' in microsound
> >>> shouldn't necessarily mean finding the right software package
> >>> first. Is this too idealistic of an approach to creating music?
> >>
> >> you mean by making a kazoo out of wax paper instead of buying a
> >> computer? or maybe recording the colliding beads of an abacus?
> >> microsound is digital music. it is computer music.  at the most
> basic
> >>
> >> level, you need to be able to either manipulate or generate
> digital
> >> data.  for that you need a digital computer.  if you are getting
> into
> >>
> >> microsound as a genre, then i might add the need to manipulate
> music
> >>
> >> at the microsound level, through some kind of granular synthesis,
> >> let's just say.  so any software should have these elements.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Maybe this has nothing to do with the original question (surely,
> >>> there are many more answers to be questioned when starting to
> make
> >>
> >>> this kind of music than just what software is in use), but I just
> >>> have this uneasy feeling in my gut when it comes to music
> software
> >>
> >>> these days. Everything is trying to be everything to everybody,
> >>> which is probably why stuff like max, sc and pd are in such large
> >>> use with people on this list (at least), because they are
> >>> programming languages, not software packages.
> >>
> >> there is definitely a kind of elitism here.  just because someone
> is
> >>
> >> an expert programmer certainly doesn't make them a brilliant
> >> musician.  programming can be music. but it can also just be
> >> programming. in this kind of community there is often a sense of
> >> authenticity that comes from writing all the code oneself.  but
> what
> >>
> >> really counts is the end result.  one could spend years learning
> how
> >>
> >> to program an ableton live style program in max/MSP. or you could
> buy
> >>
> >> the software and spend a year making music on it.
> >>
> >> and learn how to take something designed by another and make it
> your
> >>
> >> own. just like playing the trumpet.
> >>
> >> adolf sax and joh coltrane don't have a hell of a lot in common
> other
> >>
> >> than the saxophone. coltrane didn't have to built one from scratch
> in
> >>
> >> order to revolutionize music, push boundaries, and express his own
> >> individuality and human spirit.  the same goes for software.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The point was hit home with me when I was (thoroughly) enjoying a
> >>> listen to Download's new album, "FiXeR", with a friend of mine.
> In
> >>
> >>> the middle of some really cool section or break or something, he
> >>> pipes up "HA he's using Live for that, i've used that same exact
> >>> pattern" and it kind of ruined the listening experience for me at
> >>> the time.
> >>
> >> live doesn't have a sound, per se (although in the past i have
> argued
> >>
> >> heavily that software environments lead to particular musical
> >> aesthetics, particularly in loop based music, such as techno). 
> maybe
> >>
> >> he was referring to one of the effects, such as beat repeat.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> My buddy isn't at fault for this, but it proves there is a
> certain
> >>
> >>> approach to listening to electronic music these days that is more
> >>> "how did he do that?" than just plain listening.
> >>
> >> see glenn gould on this and why he stopped playing live.
> >>
> >>> My friend personally knows better, but I think there are a lot of
> >>> people that just want to replicate what they hear instead of
> being
> >>
> >>> inspired to create something new.
> >>
> >> yes. but these are the first steps to learning a musical language.
> >> imitation might be the sincerest form of flattery, but it is also
> the
> >>
> >> way language is learned, mastered, and, ultimately, evolves. just
> >> think how a child begins to speak a language.  eventually they may
> go
> >>
> >> on to write a great novel.
> >>
> >>> Folks too often seem to want to know why 'technically' something
> >>> was done instead of what creative process on the back-side
> inspired
> >>
> >>> that something to be done.
> >>
> >> true. but what is more useful and interesting? the story of newton
> >> getting hit on the head with an apple? or the actual theory of
> >> gravity? i'd say, both:)
> >>
> >> graham
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> -m
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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