Re: [microsound] Re: Expectation in music

[Dale Lloyd <dkl37@xxxxxxxx>]

On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:52:12 +0200 =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D8ivind=20Ids=F8?=
<ezueled@xxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> Dale Lloyd wrote:
 > > "mindfulness." You can respond to stimuli without thinking about 
> it. You
> > can do things without getting opinions or ego involved. It's 
> actually
> > very liberating. Cheers, Dale
> 
> Yes, I can clean my apartment without reflecting on it, thereby 
> making it an
> unconscious experience, but as Tolstoy has pointed out, this would 
> make this
> actual period of time a not-lived experience -- in other words, it's 
> as if
> you were dead or just an animal.
> 
> If you respond to "certain stimuli", such as listening to a piece of 
> music,
> without thinking about it (at some point or some level) -- are you 
> really
> experiencing the music at all? My answer would be No. It's like when 
> a cat
> walks through a room full of music -- it doesn't matter if it's 
> there or not.
> If your head doesn't process the info received, the experience 
> remains
> unlived. It's just something passing through your system, something 
> that will
> remains meaning-less. Meaning is everywhere whether you like it or 
> not and
> bypassing still remains a utopia, whether you're zen or not, I think.
> 
> /Øivind/
What you just wrote doesn't make sense. There is no such thing as a "not
lived experience." Just because one doesn't have thoughts doesn't mean
they're not alive or living. It seems that you're equating thoughts with
experience itself. What is a thought? Just a body of ideas based on
experience. How did we gain the experience? Not by sitting around
thinking about everything but by being engaged in some form of activity.
I'm not saying we shouldn't think, I'm just stating that when one applies
focus without thought forms intermingling, they experience a more pure
form of experiencing what is around them. Just because humans have verbal
thoughts, opinions, etc does not make them any more alive than animals,
plants, or even minerals, for that matter. "Living in the moment" doesn't
imply that you're "by-passing" purpose or meaning, but helps to better
embrace the experience at hand. It is your perogative to disagree with
this and it is mine not to try to convince you. Cheers, Dale

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