RE: [microsound] old thread

[mark <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think you are right - digital stuff does indeed have a 
"sound" - my nord modular sounds different from my
creamware pulsar modular despite the fact that they 
are both implemented in software running on DSP 
chips. 

I suspect the reason that there is no identifiable sound
for something like max/msp is that components have 
been written by a myriad of different people and of course 
no two people use the same set of component in any patch.
There are a lot of different filters to choose from 
for example.

I suspect that saying Max/Msp doesn't sound like anything 
is a bit like saying my studio doesn't sound like anything -
of course it does but there is enough complexity that if 
you came and used it say you would get very different 
results out of it whereas if you came and used my XTk 
then it would still sound like an XTk whether you or 
I where playing it.

cheers 

mark 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: pelagius pelagius [mailto:pela_gius@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 29 January 2002 01:20
> To: microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [microsound] old thread
> 
> 
> I have to question this assumption that keeps popping up all 
> over the place 
> that somehow digital systems don't have a "sound" to them.  
> Isn't a Max/msp 
> patch essentially built up of different parts like filters?  
> I'm assuming 
> that even if you make your own patches you're building them 
> up out of basic 
> building blocks that do indeed have a certain sound.  And to 
> continue with 
> the filter example, even if you're going to code a filter 
> from scratch 
> aren't there certain fundamental types of DSP theory and 
> certain basic 
> filter models that you would use?
> 
> I don't really know anything about dsp coding, so I'd be 
> interested to know 
> what some of the programmers on this list have to say about 
> this topic.  Do 
> digital techniques move much more quickly than electronic 
> circuit design, or 
> is it similar where there are some basic textbook examples 
> that pretty much 
> everyone draws from?
> 
> The line of thinking that says "max/msp does not sound like anything" 
> reminds me of the late '80s early '90s belief that digital synths and 
> sampling could recreate any sound and therefore lets dump all 
> of the analog 
> synths in the trash.  Now with a bit of distance and 
> experience, I'd hope we 
> all agree that a sampled waveform does not equal the original 
> sound source 
> and that different samplers have different "sounds" to them.
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Julian Knowles <j.knowles@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >...but max/msp does not sound like anything, just as a 
> toolkit does not
> >presuppose what will be built. ...
> >...
> >I think what you mean is people using other people's _patches_
> >instead of making their own
> >
> >this is something entirely different again.
> 
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