RE: [microsound] McCapitalism

[Andrei <andrei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't really give a shit to be honest. I like democracy and capitalism.
I don't care if what was practiced in Eastern Europe was Marxism, Leninism
or Stalinism or whatever. You know, whatever strain of democracy we choose
to practice it's still preferable.
I pretty much refuse to argue about communism with someone who hasn't
actually experienced it anyway. As far as making assumptions about your
background, I did so because your name doesn't strike me as Eastern
European or Latin American or Asian, etc. and because you are based in
Chicago.

And if Marx was an economic theorist than that makes it even worse because
the poverty you encountered under communism is what corrupted people.

Andrei


On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Christopher Sorg wrote:

> > First of all, I studied the "Communist Manifesto" in college. At the same
> > time I'm not gonna pretend that I really remember anything. Probably
> > blocked it out on purpose (see next paragraph).
>
> Well, that explains a lot.
>
> > Second, I experienced what a system based on his theories (or at least one
> > that is supposed to be based on them) feels like, having lived under
> > communism for 11 years. And believe me it wasn't a pleasant experience.
> >
> > I think the problem with communism is that human nature doesn't agree
> > with it. From what I've seen it seems even more inviting to corruption
> > than capitalism.
>
> No, human nature agrees with being lazy, social herd behavior.  Hence the
> great masses who believed in Communism as a solution to their problems in
> the first place.  Most likely without reading about it first and realizing
> that it doesn't work that way.
>
> > This habit of people who live in the West to sympathize with communism
> > strikes me as the epitome of idealistic liberalism.
> > Look at the world around you ! Show me a place where communism worked ?
> > What more proof do you need ? You think cuz it might sound good to you on
> > paper that it'll somehow work in the real world ? There are many theories
> > which sound good on paper.
> >
> > Andrei
>
> First of all, how can you assume what my background is, or where I come
> from?  Just because I live and work in the United States?  And what makes
> you think I sympathize with communism?  And living under communist rule has
> _nothing_, I repeat, nothing to do with Marx.  He is an ecomomic theorist,
> not a political activist.  May I suggest you take your  grievences up with
> Lenin, or even more pointedly, Stalin?  It's misinformation and
> misinterpretation that caused the mess in the first place...
>
> Chris