RE: [microsound] women not in microsound

[David Fodel <DFodel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

yeah... there's a middle ground here too...

on the one hand wondering "what the women are up to" in this area of music
is a valid and important concern. and for me the list of names gives me some
familiar and some not so familiar places to look.

on the other hand these composers/artists need not be given any more
attention than is deserved based on the same merits (or lack thereof) as any
other composer/artist, without regard for anatomy or gender roles.

personally i have produced a radio program that focused on women in
electronic music, not because i felt they are oppressed and needed "help"
promoting themselves, but merely because it was a way to take a slice of
electronic music in a somewhat novel way, in the same way that I have
featured a particular style, artist , label, geographical area, or time
period.

i hope we don't get all wrapped up in this.

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> From: 	jason.frank@xxxxxxx
> Reply To: 	microsound
> Sent: 	Wednesday, February 13, 2002 8:49 AM
> To: 	microsound
> Subject: 	Re: [microsound] women not in microsound
> 
> okay, sorry i gotta go tolsma on this whole thing...
> 
> the very fact we're talking about women making music as 
> women at all, as opposed to just composers we like means 
> that we're automatically being in some way sexist, 
> implying that their anatomy and or constructed gender 
> roles are even an issue. it's like, oh she's good, for a 
> girl. shouldn't we not talk about this at all? i mean, 
> the only thing we should be saying is why aren't their 
> many girls at the top of the genre? why isn't it a 
> fifty-fifty split like it should be? why are the ladies 
> allowed to half-ass their dedication to digital music. oh 
> yeah, and don't give me some opression line of bs, i 
> think young dorky males are a helluva lot worse off than 
> any young lady. we get the shaft. the only reason we make 
> all the music and write all the books and type all the 
> code is that nobody likes us. that sounds a helluva lot 
> more like oppression than, gee, my lipstick is all wrong.
> 
> okay, so i'm coming off all misogy here but i think it's 
> more liberated to take off the kid gloves and really ask 
> the tough questions. where is gender equality when we're 
> humoring efforts not at the top of the form ('cept maybe 
> mori, oliveros) because, hey, good try honey.
> 
> okay, flame away, i've got my asbestos undies on... 
> > >From: "yatra arts" <yatra-arts@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >Subject: Re: [microsound] women in electronic music
> > >pal,
> > >ever heard of researching yourself after getting some =
> > >names.....discovering is a wonderful thing
> > 
> > research is a great thing...there is no need to worry about my 
> > research practice. but lists of names go no where towards adding to a 
> > discussion especially when they are way off line...shiomi from group 
> > ongaku is a perfect example. and i repeat this as you added the name 
> > to the list i believe.
> >   susie Ibarra was even added to the list
> > 
> > is the point of the original statement to make a database of names or 
> > to discuss the position of female composers in 21st century 
> > electronic music (microsound) and discourse?
> > 
> > also remember we are on the microsound list so maybe the discussion 
> > could at least aim at our general genre of discussion...how did jazz 
> > and japan fluxus come into it?
> > 
> > >