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RE: [microsound] Deleuze Influence on Post Digital Music



He knocked his block off!!!

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From: The pHarmanaut
To: microsound
Sent: 4/11/02 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [microsound] Deleuze Influence on Post Digital Music

First layer (lowercase sarcasm extended): um, isn't there a label called
Mille Plateaux that in some vague and roundabout way references a
miniscule
"work" by Deleuze/Guattari? And, um, didn't this label release a
compilation
disc called "In Memorium Gilles Deleuze" featuring homages/eulogies by
the
likes of  wehovsky/wollscheid - :zoviet*france: - alec empire - cristian
vogel - christophe charles - atom heart - gas - chris & cosey - j.
burger -
steel - blue byte - trans am - rome - jim o'rourke - oval - mouse on
mars -
ian pooley - bleed - tobias hazan - scanner - dj spooky the subliminal
kid -
fetisch park - d2 - kerosene - el turco loco - beequeen? Of course, it's
highly doubtful that any of these folks had anything to do with "the
current
state of digital music" either, so even if they were influenced by
Deleuze,
it's largely irrelevant, I suppose.

-- I've been without my email account for about a week, so excuse me if
someone already pointed this out to the dunderhead quoted below --

Second layer (sarcasm relief): a discussion of influence (intended or
not)
seems less pertinent than the recognition of kindred tendencies within
the
diverse fields of artistic/philosophical expression. Trying to detect
and
define influence is inevitably a kind of chicken-and-egg situation, and
it's
frequently beside the point. Whether a hip-hop or glitch artist read
Deleuze
and said, "Hey, I want to make music in a certain way because of this
passage on rhizomatic synthesis!" is much less important than the
recognition that deeper relationships exist among the superficially
different realms of digital music and philosophy. The ability to
recognize
these shared layers and common tendencies puts us in contact with
something
more archetypal ... and as we detect archetypal modes of
experience/expression, particularly as these help to define a certain
era, I
think we come into contact with the movements of the collective
imagination:
that is, the big picture. So, then, it's more worthwhile recognizing
that
Deleuze and Guattari are grappling with certain issues in _A Thousand
Plateaus_ that are shared with and common to, say, a practioner of
granular
synthesis. The big mistake in the quote at the bottom of this post is
that
it assumes theorists don't practice; rather, we need to recognize that
the
formal approach adopted by D&G is shared with the formal approach of the
granular synthesist, turntablist, etc.

-=Trace

----- Original Message -----
From: "lowercase" <brad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [microsound] Deleuze Influence on Post Digital Music


> good thing words and concepts don;t influence the way we think about
> things.  good thing that meme's don't exist.  since the world is all
> direct and explicit we don't have to worry about OUR ideas impacting
> anyone elses.  afterall, i've never sat down with kim cascone, burnt
> friedman, kit clayton or any of the others, so their theories about
> music and how they think about things could never influence me.
>
> brad
> p.s.  PLEASE catch the heavy dose of sarcasm.
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:42:20PM -0700, tattermalion wrote:
> >
> > wait a second, how has deleuze had any influence on (post) digital
music
at all? i guess i missed those seminal releases on which he got all
crazy w/
Max Mathews back in the day. i also missed that fat patch he threw down
in
max/msp and that nifty algorythm that...
> > really though, don't we give too much credit to the academians on
this
list. none of the writing done by theory jocks effect anything outside
of
the trajectory of their own careers. all these fellows do is translate
happenings from out in the world into obscurantist jargon for others who
want to "understand" things. i'll grant that deleuze has had an impact
on
the way people discuss all things post but i can't buy into the idea
that
his books have had anything whatsoever to do with the current state of
digital music. the very notion is deluzional.
> > all the tenured radicals trip over themselves in their rush to
explain
the "recombinant" aspects of hip hop and how its practices of
appropriation
in some way undermine oppressive social norms. what impact have these
self
important eggheads had on hip hop? you tell me.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
> --
> why'd you let go?
> - anonymous rock climber
>
>
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