RE: [microsound] Money/Mouth

[David Fodel <DFodel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

My apologies, as I feel like I am coming into this a bit late but... how
does this discussion differ from the one on the list perhaps a month ago,
where Aleks(I believe) argued the same points?

Could someone possibly put the "bone of contention" into a concise sentence
for me?

David Fodel
Publishing Systems Manager
Wild Oats Markets
3375 Mitchell Lane
Boulder, CO 80301
Direct: 720-562-4831
Fax: 303-938-8474


> ----------
> From: 	aleks
> Reply To: 	microsound
> Sent: 	Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:41 PM
> To: 	microsound
> Subject: 	Re: [microsound] Money/Mouth
> 
> I dont believe it is possible to compare laptops and traditional
> instruments
> and/or performances.  A traditional  band for instance has multiple
> members
> that all play their composed parts where as a laptop performer cannot
> physically play multiple instruments/samples of/or samples.  He/she is
> essentially composing a musical score in the same way that a traditional
> musician would.  The laptop is what allows him to bring it all together,
> much like a composer/conductor of an orachestra would.  The orchestra is
> his
> laptop.  It would be pretty funny to see him running around trying to play
> all the instruments simutaneously now wouldnt it?
> 
> 
> For
> >the acoustic performer (or even electric), there is a direct correlation
> >between the producer and the product; a coronet player blows his horn and
> >a sound results.
> 
> *in a very polite and respectful tone i say the following:)*
> 
> What about Milli Vanilli?  What about the Monkees.  What about anyone that
> lipsyncs their performances.  You think all the throngs of millie vanilli
> fans really knew the difference when they were watching the
> performance's.(did i just bring up Milli Vanilli?)  And does it really
> matter that the Monkees didnt perform live most of the time?  They knew
> how
> to play their instruments and wrote most of their material.  While i do
> agree that there is a difference in a traditional instrumental performance
> and that of a laptop performnce, but i feel it is unfair to say that an
> audience member cannot relate to or appreciate a laptop set as they would
> a
> traditional show.  First of all they arent experienced in the same way as
> you pointed out.  Also audience members know what to expect from each, and
> appreciate both respectivley.
> 
> As i said before i speak from personal experience.  My first ever laptop
> experience blew me away(a chap by the name of o9)  I hadnt a clue about
> the
> process involved, but i knew what i was hearing was pure bliss musically.
> I
> was glued to the performance.  I appreciated it as much as the Chicago
> Underground Duo, or any other traditional type performance i have seen
> live.
> Its all up to the individual imo.  I believe it is impossible to say
> anything inregards to how others percieve things(Not that im saying anyone
> is)
> 
> 
> ""In some ways, there really isn't a way for the laptop to *not* be
> acousmatic.
> There is no way to directly indicate a source for the sound; the source
> *IS*
> the laptop, but it isn't at the same time.  For samples, the source is
> actually instruments, cars, voices, etc.  The challenge is the abstraction
> that the laptop represents; performers are presenting themselves as the
> originator (acoustic), yet the source itself is acousmatic (hidden from
> view)."
> 
> I believe the laptop genre can be labled as somewhat acousmatic.  Its a
> little bit of a contradiction tho since the laptop can be the source of
> the
> sounds/music(programs like reaktor,buzz,max)  and also play the roll of
> the
> phono graph by playing imp0rted samples synch'd up or what not.  If the
> laptop performer were playing live out of reaktor, even improvisationally
> it
> would be impossible for anyone to know,(as you stated earlier)
> unless they would all crowd around his little screenie which of course
> would
> be highly impractical.(tho many do)
> 
> As someone pointed out earlier, we are somewhat conditioned inregards to
> what we expect from a musical performance.  I do know that i appreciate
> the
> creative process regardless of whether it is of a traditionally musicall
> manner or an acousmatic laptop performance:)
> 
> Great post's so far:)
> 
> 
> aLEKs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: microsound-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> For additional commands, e-mail: microsound-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> website: http://www.microsound.org
> 
>