Re: [microsound] CDRs vs. CDs with sugar on top

[BJM <bent@xxxxxxxxx>]

Okay, will someone please explain to me how the series of numbers 
representing my music on a cdr yields any lower quality sound than the 
series of numbers on a factory cd? I mean, yeah, mastering can really 
sweeten the sound (though, I find it hard to believe that there are many 
-- if any -- mastering engineers out there that would have a clue what 
to do with microsound or idm). But that's just processing the source 
file... it's got nothing to do with how the divits are put on the disc. 
I mean, are we saying that cd-burners screw up the numbers? Cuz, I don't 
think that's the case: the numbers in the source file remain the same as 
long as you stick with straight PCM data. The DA converter could also 
mess things up, but that's still not the CD-R's fault. And besides, I 
defy anyone to do a blind test and pick the CD-R out... c'mon give it a 
try (of course, you've got a fifty-fifty chance... maybe do it a few 
times... and get an impartial party to help so you don't cheat).

b

Doctrine Insectvas wrote:

> I do agree that a stamped CD is thicker sounding and (if mastered 
> correctly) can really fit the dynamic measurements needed to utilise a 
> great system. And please don't get me wrong `cuz of course sound 
> quality is nothing to bat an eye at. Yet still if you get a burn from 
> someone, and the music "rules".. then what's stopping you from making 
> another one via a burn if you are affraid of it dyin on ya? I'm just 
> not sure if the 25 year life span of a CDR vs. the 100 year(or so)life 
> span of a CD is really all that noticably reasonable to take into 
> account considering the rate that media changes. That is unless your a 
> collector.. :)  but I think we'll all be "upgrading" our media in 10 
> years anyhow.. if not sooner.. giggle..
> Know what I'm sayin..?
> ..that's what I meant by the industry standard/marketing comment.
>
> but Ya, I agree with you two. Yet I still stand by my comment.. only 
> cuz that's just my silly opinion. As long as the music on the medium 
> is good.. I say who cares.
>
> :)
> Cordell / DOCTSECT
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> Agreed the trouble is not whether the label is CDR och CD.  But I have
> bought much more CDR:s with a very sloppy, harsh sound-quality than
> CD:s.  And this fact might give CDR-releases a bad name outside the
> most enthusiastic collectors. I dont know, just speculation here.
>
> It's probably just me that is overly sensitive about this but I really
> enjoy a good quality recording which effortlessly presents different
> layers/strands of the music.
>
> I am not talking about frequency responses or nerdy stuff, just
> choosing good sounding equipment and a little know-how on mixing,
> mastering and psychoacoustics.  Of course there will always be special
> events/moments that will shine even through the high information loss
> of a bad-sounding release but in general there is no excuse to make it
> iunnecessarily hard to appreciate the music.
>
> onsdagen den 4 december 2002 kl 09.48 skrev philippe-petit:
>
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>>           The only thing that seperates the two are that CDRs lack the
>>           commercial industries selling standards for marketing.
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>> cordell,
>> as you know I have nothing against CDR-only labels, I try to support 
>> good music
>> whatever the medium/format be. though I couldn't let you write such a 
>> statement as
>> the one above, the big difference is quality.
>> any record done by a professionaal factory will last much longer, and 
>> sound better
>> when glass-master is done properly.
>> that being stressed I agree that CDR should keep coming or at least 
>> some that have
>> excellent music which wouldn't exist without that medium.
>> philippe
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