Re: [microsound] Anger/Sitting On Our Hands

[dbuchwald <dagmar.buchwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

stinky wrote:

> --- dbuchwald <dagmar.buchwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, well put.  If there's an emotion behind the
> > 'anger' of politicians in power it's fear; fear to
> > lose that power. And that fear (and a lot of what
> > Nietzsche called "ressentiments") is rationalized
> > beyond recognition into a clean cold well-structured
> > system of dominance.  Bush is not angry.  (He may be
> > scared shitless, because there a a few things
> > happening he doesn't understand)
>
> fear of losing power "is" not what nietzsche meant by
> ressentiments.

That's right, that's why I wrote "(and a lot of what Nietsche called
"ressentiments") in the sense of "plus".

> it can be a component of it but at its
> basic it is the sort of behavior that many on the list
> would contain, that of throwing away what is
> immediately relevant to ones life/desires for some
> lofty (decadent) goal.  on rereading what i just wrote
> i think maybe i'm not being clear.
>
> briefly ressentiment is action taken by those without
> power as a result of their anger at those with power.

Maybe my thinking was a bit overconvoluted, but I have a hunch that this
urge for power in (some) politicians is the outcome or the effect of a
deeply routed ressentiment or resentment against something they are
deeply suspicious of.  If you call that 'something' life (following
Nietzsche) I would agree.  The power they achieve is some sort of
replacement for a true power or energy they cannot control, something
they have abjected as
dirty-uncontrollable-multiple-unpredictable-stronger than them.  Call it
life, call it nature, call it creativity... you name it.

>
> the english cognate resentment is a good starting
> place for understanding this idea.  if i do not pursue
> my own desires in the face of whatever the assholes in
> washington are doing i am acting in the spirit of
> ressentiment (in my own opinion protesting them would
> be doing something i'm not really interested in hence
> an act of ressentiment.)
>
> in any event ressentiment is tied to the concept of
> decadence and that which denies life (read fear of non
> immediate power structures such as the us government
> or god) it has little to do with ones own actual
> position in power.

I know what you mean but I would see a vast difference between the fear
of us government structures and a fear of god (depends on what that term
denotes).

If I feel resentment against non immediate power structures and that
resentment explodes into anger that is something else than if a person in
political power feels resentment against life and the multiple and this
resentment is crystallized into an urge for destruction, greed for
space/oil/money and absolute control.

>
>
> nietzsche liked jesus because jesus acted from such
> deep ressentiment that he approached becoming the
> overman.
>

Did he? Didn't he accuse the christian religion of being a slave (and
decadent) religion full of ressentiment?  As I understood it the
'overman' is a person that is completely open to being affected by all
there is, a person without armours, without boundaries in a way.

>
> -stinky
> (hoping he doesn't sound like a total fool)

Dagmar

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