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Perfect , agreed with every line.=20
The end of the recording industry as it is now is a given thing at this =
point, and I believe that musicians and consumers will be better served =
in the end of this process.=20
Beni. =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ben=20
To: microsound=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: [microsound] industry loses big
Uh oh Kim. Now you gone and done it...
I (think I) made this comment elsewhere today. The most frustrating=20
thing about all this talk of piracy is that the distinction is=20
constantly blurred between piracy and file-sharing. I say, fine, go=20
after all the guys making bootleg Britney Spears discs and selling =
them=20
on Canal St. *That* is piracy: someone is making a profit by =
duplicating=20
a company's or an artist's product. I think it's great that we have =
laws=20
to (attempt to) stop such piracy.
Obtaining a copy of a recording, however, is not, at least in my book, =
piracy. In copying a recording, I am not depriving the artist or the=20
label of anything other than, perhaps, a potential sale. And no one,=20
myself included, will ever know if I would have bought that recording=20
had the option of a copy not been there. All the record industry's=20
boo-hooing about their lost business because of file-sharing is=20
bullshit. Oh, they may well be losing sales because people can =
download=20
music, but THEY CAN NEVER EVER KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE SOLD =
OTHERWISE.=20
It's kinda like some sort of philosophical conundrum or time-space=20
continuum thingy.
Your example about robbing a bank is just dumb; it has nothing to do=20
with the issue. And stealing one's laptop is (along with all the other =
million examples in which someone compares file sharing to stealing=20
physical property) an incorrect analogy as well: if you take my =
laptop,=20
I don't have a laptop anymore. The correct analogy would be: you copy =
my=20
song off my laptop... to which, of course, I say fine... help=20
yourself... (except that I don't own a laptop... know where I can =
steal=20
one?)
Finally, I think your most valid point is that no, I wouldn't want =
Nike=20
or CNN or just about anyone using my song to hawk their wares. But =
then,=20
we're back to the piracy -- i.e. appropriating for commercial use --=20
issue again. Mr. Blackmarket bootlegging CD's and Mr. =
Corporateslimebag=20
swiping my song to use in a commercial is the same thing... and yes,=20
they should be illegal and I'm glad that they are.
Finally, (one more time)... It is interesting to me how there wasn't=20
much outcry when people made cassette copies of their friends albums.=20
Yes, I know the record industry did complain, but they didn't scream=20
bloody murder like they are now and, more importantly, they didn't =
have=20
the disturbingly significant mob of people who believe them like they =
do=20
now. So, it was okay when you had to make your copies in real time, =
the=20
quality sucked and you could only copy from people you knew?
It's all just silly. Technology making it easier to copy recordings=20
doesn't make the copying suddenly wrong. The ease of copying and=20
obtaining copies may well put a big dent in the record industry, but,=20
I'm sorry, that doesn't make copying wrong either. And frankly, the=20
record industry deserves all the dents it can get... slimy bastards. =
And=20
the whole industry is based on an artificially created shortage=20
anyway... if the first recording medium had been cheap and easy for =
the=20
average joe, there never would have been a recording industry... they=20
been living on borrowed time.
b
jan.l wrote:
>And since banks no doubt are robbing money from their customers makes =
it
>perfectly o.k. to go buy a gun from a guy in some alley and start =
robbing banks.
>
>Actually there are groups that do just this. Mayne you should join?
>
>You may claim you dont like the copyright laws and that makes piracy =
o.k. I
>might declare I beleive that private property are wrong and take your =
laptop and
>it would be equally o.k.
>
>Actually the copyright laws are there to protect the artist. It makes =
sure that
>Dow Chemical cannot use my music in their ads or presentation =
material. It makes
>sure that CNN cannot use your music without your permission etc. Of =
course you
>might sell the rights to your music to Sony Music and let them =
decide.
>
>It may be so that that this cannot be stopped. What will happen then =
is not that
>you'll get your happy Napster-days back again. What will happen is =
that the
>corporations will use the situation to their advantage since the =
copyright laws
>will then be useless and *anyone* (and that includes Sony, Warner and =
Microsoft)
>can just disregard them and make a buck out of whatever they feel =
like without
>any permissions or royalties.
>
>If it was o.k. to rob banks or just take your laptop do you even for =
a moment
>doubt that Microsoft would create an armed bankrobbing division?
>
>A better way to do might be to go along with the corporations and let =
them
>strengthen the laws as much as they can and then use it to your =
advantage and
>protection by building your own networked distribution system they =
cannot abuse.
>
>
>
>
>On 03-01-21 hellomynameisphil@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (ph!L @ c e n t i b e l) =
wrote:
>
> =20
>
>>"when people talk about 'pirates', we should remember that the music
>>industry is the biggest pirate of all, and has been from the very
>>beginning. Who created the possibility of duplicating and =
distributing
>>music, if not the record industry itself? You will find the same =
thing
>>happening at each stage of the technology's evolutionary development =
-
>>the record industry shoots itself in the foot. One arm is producing
>>music and complaining that technology is making it easier to steal =
that
>>music, while the other arm is producing the very technology that it
>>claims to be damaging its interests. This was true for cassettes, =
this
>>was true for CDs, and it is true again for the Internet. Napster is =
of
>>marginal importance here. Gnutella or Aimster were born within the
>>industry. Both came out of AOL and they escaped like a virus that
>>escapes a laboratory. They try to prevent it, but they can't."
>>
>>Jacques Attali, 2001.
>>full text at: http://www.sinologic.com/newmusic/sub/attali.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>>From: Richard Costelloe
>>>Sent: 1/20/2003 2:36:12 PM
>>>To: microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: RE: [microsound] industry loses big
>>>
>>>Hey, another 80% and we'll really be in business!! : )=20
>>>Don't forget though... pirating music supports terrorism!!!=20
>>>
>>>http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0004/propaganda/mp3.cfm=20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----=20
>>>From: Tim Kugel [mailto:guitardo@xxxxxxxxxxx]=20
>>>Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 2:22 PM=20
>>>To: microsound=20
>>>Subject: [microsound] industry loses big=20
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Losses linked to piracy were up almost 20 per cent, or about=20
>>>$700m-$800m on the $4.3bn value of illegally copied CDs and =
internet=20
>>>
>>>files in 2002, according to internal industry estimates."=20
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>>>http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=3DFT.com/StoryFT/Ful=
lSt
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>>ory&c=3DStoryFT&cid=3D1042490909139&p=3D1012571727088
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