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RE: [microsound] the black, the white, and the Mutek @ Stylus



That's a very nice way of stating it, Dagmar.  I for one don't feel
particularly fascist when I attend Church.  It is a small bit offensive
to hear that organized religion is a sort of brainwashing tool (I myself
am Eastern Orthodox, and mysticism is quite strong in our faith).

Regards,
 
Rudy A. Carrera
Falcata-Galia and Tariff Records
PO Box 134
Rialto, California  92377  USA
http://www.falcata-galia.com
http://www.tariffrecords.com
http://members.tripod.com/musicsource7/index.htm
 

-----Original Message-----
From: dbuchwald [mailto:dagmar.buchwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:50 PM
To: microsound
Subject: Re: [microsound] the black, the white, and the Mutek @ Stylus

Hi Tobias,

just a few remarks:

"tobias c. van Veen" wrote:

> Is not that which defies explanation--the mystical, the unknowable, of
the
> chaos that nonetheless contains meaning--the very *basis* of religious
> hierarchy, and ultimately, the self-destruction of the order to chaos
that
> is fascism?

In what sense is the mystical the basis of religious hierarchy?  Of
fascism? ???

Mystics have certain religious experiences (experiences which are
non-hierarchical); more often than not they are at the fringes of
organized
religions, of churches.  While mystics feel that which cannot be known,
churches
manage the distribution of power.  Those two areas are something else
completely.

> The mysticism of the Nuremburg rallies; the magical uses of uniform
and
> symbology--the sense that, in the case of National Socialism, its very
> essence was a part of a large, unknowable destiny of the Fatherland
that
> simply could not be explained. And that this must be *mastered*, but
only
> from the unknowable (again, Pynchon's description of the double-helix
> mineshafts, of the Schwarzkommando all come to mind here).

That fascism made use of of a certain mystification, simulated mystic
experiences and manipulated the need of people for something 'deep' for
its own
purposes -- that's true.  But that doesn't make mystic experiences per
se
fascist.

At least that's how I see it.

Best,

Dagmar

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