Re: [microsound] futurismo! [OT]

[dbuchwald <dagmar.buchwald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think your description is valid, 'manager' and all.

But this is exactly what worries me.  Wasn't democracy not about several
parties with several (distinctly different party programs) so that voters
could vote for a program which best (never perfectly, but approximately)
reflected their life situation and views?  Electing a program, not a clan
with hidden agenda and old boys-connections?

But that would presuppose that voters really read and understood the
programs; not that they vote for the guy with the most colorful balloons,
the biggest show and the cutest cheerleaders...

So actually the blame goes back to us, the voters (in your country as
well as in other countries) but also to a system with two parties which
don't seem to differ that vastly (at least from a European perspective; I
understand that for an American there seems to be a big difference
between Democrats and Republicans).

Dagmar

r3dshift@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> I think of the president as a manager rather than a person
> through which all decisions are made.  do you really want
> your country run by a single human?  the job of the
> president, or any good manager for that matter, is to
> surround yourself with experts on the matters at hand.  you
> direct their work and provide top level problem resolution,
> but you're relying on them to advise you on problems which
> require a specialized level of expertise. the president
> delegates work and responsibility and holds those people
> assigned to a task accountable.  all final decisions come
> through him, and paired with the advice of his cabinet.
>  the real way the president influences government is to
> place like-minded people into positions of power and
> influence.  this should really worry the bush haters
> because he's has occassion to install many people into all
> corners of the US government.
>
> this is all pretty subjective... coming from an outsider
> looking in... (I live in the US but am not affiliated
> directly with the United States government.)
>
> your opinion probably differs :)
>
> Yeah, but the U.S. election system is rather weird: it's
> not that each voice
> is counted as one voice (if they are counted to the end at
> all).  Maybe a
> native speaker can explain that better than I can
>
> I am not sure that this goes to the bottom of the question,
> however.
> Methinks, Bush is not the one who really runs the nation.
>   I doubt that the
> president (or the chancellor for that matter) really has as
> much power as is
> suggested by the media.  The real power structures are
> hidden and I think
> they point to corporate interests.
>
> But if he was ... never forget, Hitler was elected too.
>  Only after he was
> elected he managed to suspend futher elections.  (Before I
> rouse an outcry of
> indignation -- I am NOT comparing Bush with Hitler; it 's
> only concerning the
> point that rulers in democracies are elected; so was
> Hitler, that's all I
> want to say).
>
> Dagmar
>
> Jan Larsson wrote:
>
> > doesnt the US have stuff like the senate ... where people
> get elected
> > ... that doesnt match very well with the definition of
> "corporatism"
> > does it?
> >
> > the leaders of US/EU are hardly fascists me thinks
> (however unlikeable,
> > incompetent and back-stabing they might be), in fact
> merzbow could well
> > be elected to the next president of the US (or to run the
> finances of
> > France) ... that sort of rules out those definitions..
> > .
> >
> > tWhile I do not agree with many if not most of my
> president's foreign=20
> > >> policies, I think it's a real stretch to say that
> fascism exists here
> > >> in the=
> > >> US.
> > > rather than debate this with you I'll let an expert
> outline fascism for
> > > you...sound familiar?
> > >
> > >   "Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism as it
> is a merge
> > > of state and corporate power."
> > >     - Benito Mussolini
> > >
> > >    "Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in
> comparison
> > > with which all individuals or groups are relative, only
> to be
> > > conceived in
> > > their relation to the State."
> > >        - Benito Mussolini
> > >
> > >
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