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Re: [microsound] [microsound OT POL] 'It's Not about Oil or Iraq...'
No, I'm not kidding --
This is a real answer:
> 1. When you pick up e|I magazine on March 31st and read
> "Immediatism,"
> dealing with the nexus of experimental electronic music,
> net.art, and
> politics.
And to a certain extent, so is the second one.
No rhetoric here for me. I also never added [OT]. That was the response from
dbuchwald, so please get your accusations straight. My original post, as you
can easily see, discussed three MP albums. The .ps was an aside to an
informative post which was quoted by my interlocutor.
And to make this post informative, I'm also going to point in the direction
of another column I write on politics so we *can* keep further debate of
this nature off the list:
http://www.citr.ca/discorder -->Panarticon link and archives of Panarticon
However I think there was never any serious infraction here. The links
provided were informative and I thank dbuchwald for them. Although I
wouldn't want to see a full-fledged war debate erupt here, to pretend to
ignore current world events would be just another symptom of classic western
ignorance. And given that many artists who produce this music often attempt
to grapple with it in the medium of sound (np. Thaemlitz's "Lovebomb" on MP)
I think any conversation that manages to tie in this aspect with sound
informatively and beyond polemic would be welcome. For example, a friend of
mine, Alexis Bhagat, is conducting research on the possibility that the
Nazis invented the first tape delay for their massive rallies (so there
would not be mis-timed echo for those at the back) and the implications of
recording technologies in societies of control... conjoin that with
Burroughs and Gysin's tape-splicing subliminals ... and you end up with some
nasty potentials of microsound .. microadvertisingsound .. microcontrolsound
... emulating that "voice inside your head" .. shop shop buy buy .. shoot
shoot kill kill (faster, pussycat!) ..
However what IS annoying is the fact that you are double-posting to the list
(microsound is in your To: line twice) AND posting nothing of substance save
complaints.
tV
> it was a rhetorical question. you added "OT" to the
> subject line, yet you sent it on to the list anyways.
> There are mailing lists for world events, wars, religions,
> hobbies, and microsound. this is the microsound one.
>
> I can recommend some good mailing lists if you're looking
> to talk about iraq, ect
>
> thanks for understanding,
>
>
>
> Two answers.
>
> 1. When you pick up e|I magazine on March 31st and read
> "Immediatism,"
> dealing with the nexus of experimental electronic music,
> net.art, and
> politics.
>
> 2. When you catch a very small whiff of anthrax from your
> mail and hear
> yourself gasping very very small breathy gasps as the
> lights fade to black
> and a strange, low ringing swells up from your chest
> signifing that your
> heart has stopped beating.
>
> tV
>
>>
>> again, what has this to do with microsound?
>>
>> there are plenty of places to discuss world matters, I
> wish
>> you would choose one other than .microsound.
>>
>> -Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> Tobias c. van Veen wrote:
>>
>> "p.p.s. Ladies and Gentlemen, it looks like we are at War
>> -- with no
>> vote
>> through Congress, no UN resolution, and against the will
> of
>> the
>> collective
>> world. An embarrassing and black day for all humanity and
>> possibly
>> another
>> step toward the beginning of the end."
>>
>> Yes, sadly. The following articles may give some
> reasons.
>>
>> "Why is George Bush so hell bent on war with Iraq? Why
> does
>> his
>> administration reject every positive Iraqi move? It all
>> makes sense when
>> you consider the economic implications for the USA of not
>> going to war
>> with Iraq. The war in Iraq is actually the US and Europe
>> going head to
>> head on economic leadership of the world."
>> (T'S NOT ABOUT OIL OR IRAQ. IT'S ABOUT THE US AND EUROPE
>> GOING
>> HEAD-TO-HEAD ON WORLD ECONOMIC DOMINANCE. By Geoffrey
>> Heard, Melbourne,
>> Australia)
>>
>>
>> http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html
>> 'The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War With Iraq: A
>> Macroeconomic and
>> Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth' by W. Clark,
>> January
>> 2003 (revised 20 February), Independent Media Center,
>> www.indymedia.org
>>
>> http://www.indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=28334
>> This war is about more than oil. OIL DOLLARS!!!! DOLLARS,
>> THE EURO
>> AND WAR IN IRAQ.
>> This story is based on material posted by Richard
>> Douthwaite on the
>> FEASTA list in Ireland.
>>
>>
> http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1550023_comment.php#1551138
>> USA intelligence agencies revealed in plot to oust
>> Venezuela's
>> President
>>
>> http://www.atimes.com/global-econ/DD11Dj01.html
>> Asia Times online: Global Economy
>> US dollar hegemony has got to go
>> By Henry C K Liu
>>
>> http://www.feasta.org/energy.htm
>>
>> http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/EnemyWithin.html
>> The Observer
>> The Enemy Within
>> by Gore Vidal London, Sunday 27 October 2002
>>
>>
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