Re: [microsound] RE: [personal] [microsound] Ableton Live and MP3

["::\)" <r3dshift@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

live is made with live performance in mind.  most people use laptops for
live shows, as I do.  most people aren't willing to give up a couple hundred
mhz + drive throughput because they are too lazy to write a conversion
script to convert mp3 to wav.

----- Original Message -----
From: "mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'microsound'" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: [microsound] RE: [personal] [microsound] Ableton Live and MP3

> My only argument with this is that some people DO have the machines
> that can cope with the overhead of what you describe and so why deny
> them it. However I don't use Live on a regular basis and I don't really
> care :-)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ::) [mailto:r3dshift@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 07 April 2003 14:57
> To: microsound
> Subject: Re: [microsound] RE: [personal] [microsound] Ableton Live and
> MP3
>
>
> live does not store samples in memory, but rather reads them off the
> disk live, each time the sample is played.  for this reason, mp3 support
> would entail an mp3 being read by the drive, decoded, stretched or
> compressed (depending on your warp settings on the sample in Live) and
> then fx would be added on top of that.
>
> overall, most people recognize that the CPU and system overhead is not
> worth it when you can just convert the sample to WAV and use the sample
> material without the extra CPU overhead.
>
> -Joe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mark" <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'microsound'" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <flippy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:22 AM
> Subject: [microsound] RE: [personal] [microsound] Ableton Live and MP3
>
>
> > It does seem odd to argue NOT to add a feature like this - I mean you
> > don't have to use it and its not difficult to add technically.
> > Curious.
> >
> > Me - I use all sorts of samples - from completely shitty ones recorded
>
> > on my ipaq to pristine ones digitally created and lovingly edited in
> > Soundforge.
> > They are all grist to the mill. As you say deny yourself nothing - I
> > have a
> > cheap casio home organ type keyboard I bought years ago as a basic
> midi
> > controller
> > when I was first starting out and I still occasionaly use it for
> tracks
> > (my son likes the really tacky demo track as well (he's one))
> >
> > I've had a play with Live and I must say it's a pretty cool tool
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: flippy [mailto:flippy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ben dixon
> > Sent: 07 April 2003 07:36
> > To: Microsound
> > Subject: [personal] [microsound] Ableton Live and MP3
> >
> >
> > When I found Ableton Live, I thought I'd found exactly the tool I'd
> > been searching for for ever.  Very impressed - it does everything I
> > need it for, simply and effectively.  Then I found the one fatal flaw.
>
> > It doesn't seem to handle mp3's.
> >
> > Since when I play, I use samples and field recordings in both wav and
> > mp3 format, this cuts my palette in half.  I suppose I could get a
> > very large external hard drive, and convert all the mp3's into wav's,
> > but this seems excessive.
> >
> > Especially since it wouldn't be hard to build mp3-wav decoding into
> > Live (like may other audio manipulation software does - it doesn't
> > even have to be done on the fly - decode to the scratch disk when you
> > load the
> > sample...)
> >
> > After reading the various arguments on Ableton's forum, there seem to
> > be as many people requesting that MP3 support *not* be added, as there
>
> > are people asking for it.  Which seems strange to me - is a less than
> > perfect sample to be discarded, just because it isnt perfect?  How
> > many recordings are degraded by wind or other noise, or poor recording
>
> > technique?  (some might balk at calling this 'degradation', and label
> > it as 'atmosphere'...)
> >
> > If one is going to bend, warp and filter the sample anyway, what
> > difference does it make if it isnt pristine?
> >
> > And of course, there is content.  A given sample that is available
> > only as an MP3 (downloaded from the net, for eg) may be perfect from a
>
> > content perspective.
> >
> > Recycle. Re-use.  But neither extreme to the exclusion of the other.
> > Why deny onself every opportunity and resource available.
> >
> > Any thoughts from people on Microsound that make music and do sound
> > installations?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > ben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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