Re: [microsound] noise

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>
> "I like naive art, lets lobotomize some 5-year olds"
>
> I dont know where you got the impression that only children are curious
> etc.
> I'm pretty sure (dont remember where I read it right now) that different
> research groups have found that older people learn as easily as younger.

Whoa whoa whoa.  I think you take me too seriously.  I am exploring ideas
here not proposing experiments.  I don't believe that children are the
only one's that are curios.  In fact, I think it is because humans can
continue to be curious throughout their lives that we are capable of so
many wonderful and horrible things.  Besides, I wasn't suggesting that we
try similar experiments as those done on the rats to children.  Rather, I
was exposing my own desire to experiment with my consciousness.  If you
want to tell me that's wrong then go ahead but I will continue to do it
anyway, as I have for my entire life, and not hurt anyone.

> There is a difference in that younger use a bit more brute force
> exploration
> and older tend to rely slightly more on experience to rule out stuff that
> are wrong earlier.

When we are young we learn to avoid doing things that are "wrong." 
Usually that means learning not to hurt others or ourselves in various
ways.  However, we usually get a lot of pur parents' nueroses in the
proess.  These neuroses include (but are not limited too) self-loathing
and the idea that exploration is wrong.  I find it somewhat rare when
people are able to recognize this behaviour in themselves and change it so
that they can live rich lives filled with curiosity and wonderment.

> But we can fix this for you. Like being your own DIY mad scientist and
> victim at the same time. If you lock yourself in a room without windows,
> no
> media, no-one to talk to for <x> years you'll have no experience to rely
> on
> when you are old and should react just as a child. Try it!!
>

Sensory deprivation can be a very helpful tool.  Though I havent locked
myself in a room for years I have studied people that have.  My own
experiments with sensory deprivation have lasted ten days at the most. 
They included staring at the floor without moving for 12 hours a day. 
This included taking a vow of silence as well as a vow to obstain from any
kind of sexual activity or alcohol or meat or salt for that matter. Even
such short experiences like this have proved invaluable to me.  You would
be amazed what kind of insights you start having about yourself when you
can see your mind in a less obstructed view.  And Oh!  How life is
different afterwards.  So many things that were familiar seem new.  I did
not lose those thigs I learned in childhood that I felt were important: 
don't stick your hand in the fire, treat others with respect, etc.  What I
gained was a lack of cynicism, not to be confused with naivete.  Which
brings me back to music...

Why do you have me saying "I like naive music."?  I don't like naive
music.  I also don't like cynical music.  I ask you, what is naive music? 
Does music have to be technically interesting to be considered a mature
example?  Must it's universal poetry be overshadowed by ego?  I don't
listen to music very often.  The reason is because I find most of it
either boring or self-gratifying.  The gems, for me at least, are those
pieces that truly defy convention.  Are new and naive the same thing to
you?

sincerely,
Elisha

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