Re: [microsound] Re: tools

["tobias c. van Veen" <tobias@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, I have to second that question.

If there is no distinction between tool/medium, there is "now" for the "tool
is now the message," as there is no difference, no time, no past from
"message" to "tool," no assessment of change, nor even a shift in dominance,
predominance, or emphasis. If we have undertaken a shift of signifiers that
has no force, has a shift occurred at all, or only an empty mantra, a
proclamation from the wind?

If the tool and the medium are 'intersecting sets', then to assess
difference they are also unequivocal sets, and perhaps, closed sets, which
would be a difficult proposition to hold. An impossible one. Which would
signal the commencement (already underway) of a difference that has yet to
be drawn to an understanding, if this is possible, as the sets would by
necessity remain open, to allow for the difference between them (the gap
where the sets cannot and will not ever meet, even if this gap remains
graphical, in the signifier 'itself').

First question: what are the differing elements (given our presupposition of
'sets' of meaning for each sign) between tool and medium, give that there is
no 'distinction'?

tV

> kim,
> 
>> anyway, my axiom is not meant to draw a distinction between
>> tool/medium...you seem to have missed the point...the point of my little
>> 'mantra' is that the tool is now the message (in most media arts) whereas
>> the medium is no longer the message...the tool and the medium are
>> intersecting sets but do not share all the same elements...a hammer is not
>> architecture any more than a laptop is music...
> 
> i would have to contend with tobias that you seem to be, then indeed,
> making a distinction between tool & media, & i wonder what that distinction
> between them is.
> 
> in what ways is the tool the message (in most media art) "whereas the
> medium is no longer the message"?  that's unclear to me.
> 
> have a nice day
> ~ david
> 
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