Re: [microsound] white middle class music

[Jose Lopez <cuerdaflojataller@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi everyone, I am really confused about certain comments.
Is anybody here under the impression that people in places like, let's say 
for instance: latinoamerica; have no access to computers? Believe it or not, 
people used to ask me if we had credit cards in latinamerica, I used to say: 
"Yes, we have one, but only the chief is allowed to use it".
The fact that some people are unable to find information regarding artists 
in latinamerica [just an example because I grew up there] does not mean that 
they don't exist. Different environments have different networking sistems. 
The difference maybe is that I can have access to the latinamerican 
electronic environment using the internet, and I also have access to the 
european/us/canadian/etc or whatever "geopolitical zone" you want to 
designate for "whites" [whatever that means].
Just as an example: at the end of last year I played in Colombia, in January 
in Mexico, in February I performed in Chile, this month in San Diego 
California, and in May I'll be playing Lima-Peru. I don't see the diference, 
all the places have an environment for this kind of music or any kind of 
music.
Actually the one with less audiende of the ones I mentioned will probably be 
San Diego, [is just a problem of communication maybe].
Is it true that there are differences between worlds, but, having access to 
the work of "non-white" experimental sound artists is more a problem of 
attitude that of lack of existence.
I can pick up 40 cds of south american electronic/sound artists from my 
shelve [yes there are that many around ;)] and find their music and 
information either trough P2P or just browsing on the internet.
Things like how much money you have or not, on the other hand, should not be 
even part of the disscusion, however I am happy for the person that has "all 
the money I need and then some." I hope that helps in the musical process.
Hummmmm.......I am white, do I get extrapoints?
Saludos,

N.






> From: "jan.larsson" <jan.l@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: microsound <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [microsound] white middle class music
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:19:22 +0200
>
>
> My apology to Canada which has a very evolved and interesting electronic 
> music culture with an impressive history. Those who live in Canada are of 
> course as evil as the rest of us ;=)
>
> I also generalized by using the word "white". I dont think skin-color has 
> anything to do with this. I myself live in europe, have all the money I 
> need and then some. I'm as much part of this as anyone else.
>
> Perhaps it would be wiser to use the term "geopolitical zones" rather than 
> specific country names.
>
> But I stand by my original statement. What is available on P2P is what 
> interest a very limited demographic young middle-class audience in europe 
> and northern america. Before I answered this I picked 40 CD:s from my shelf 
> and found only five (5) of the artists on P2P. These are not difficult or 
> particularly fancy records, just records I bought on travels and in various 
> stores around town here. Those five found were all US artists or english 
> speaking european artists.
>
> Without having any clue or real data to back this up whatsoever I'd even 
> claim that microsound music sits neatly and exclusively in the western  
> middle/upper-class. Is this a problem? I dont think so, not as long as you 
> are aware of it.
>
>
>
>
> >Kim Cascone wrote:
> >
> >>>there is not much freedom of choice either. what you can find on the 
> p2p ne=
> >>>tworks is mostly only stuff that interest white middle-class youth in 
> the U=
> >>>S and maybe europe. the ones that get their bandwidth usage paid by mom 
> and=
> >>>dad. I tried finding even the most interesting artists from a selection 
> of=
> >>>countries around the world and they are just not available.=20
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>% I would have to disagree somewhat with this comment...while the 
> 'digital
> >>divide' .possibly. privileges white middle class kids - brandishing
> >>computers and internet connections paid for by mom and dad - there is 
> also a
> >>lot of non-white music (music made by musicians who are not white) to be
> >>found...so while it might be mostly white kids who are file trading 
> (which I
> >>am not so sure of) there is a wealth of diverse musical styles to be 
> found
> >>via p2p...
> >>
> >>
> >Emailing from Canada, I disagree as well with the "US and maybe Europe
> >reference".
>
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