Re: [microsound] data -> sound examples; subjectivity; pattern; rawness

[Thad Biggerstaff <instrumental@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> >>>> forgetting (at least)
> >>>> the subjective and relational dimensions that are involved.
> >>> -Thereby reducing the inherent quality?
> >> More subjective process always equals better art?
> > better art strives or points towards the objective
>
> Now we're getting somewhere :) To continue the pattern I will say
> "subjective." Or at least, this tendency strives towards the objective
> but the direction it's travelling reflects where it's coming from (the
> subject).

i couldnt have said it better myself  ;)

> > It maybe that this urge to
> > find unmediated sound structures ... is a
> > very contemporary form of reification
>
> Could it also (or instead) be idealism, an interest in "pure" pattern
> or form, with a consciousness of the arbitrary / limited nature of any
> realisation? Once again we're getting into Western Art Music territory
> here. In microsound/etc I think any such urge tends to be balanced by
> the sensory pleasures of _feeling_ data, wherever it may come from.
>
> On the possibility or not of "raw data", maybe "pattern" is a concept
> that would help - so pattern could be opposed to format - it's the
> abstract content of the data. Question is, does the data contain one or
> many patterns? If the answer is many, then any mapping, any format, any
> ordering or scanning, will produce _a_ pattern, and are they all
> equally valid (or raw)? If the data contains _one_ pattern, then how do
> we find the format / mapping that reveals it? Or do we have to listen
> to all possible formats/mappings, and get a kind of Gestalt pattern? I
> think again you end up with subjectivity, as in use value or
> applicaton. The pattern you're seeking depends on what you want to do
> with it, on what you're listening for...

as well as the pattern(s) that are there to be percieved. as I am
understanding it, "use value or application" is ultimately a factor of whats
there to work with and ones capacity to work with it.

"A shadow is cast by something- therefore somewhere, there is an original
shape or form.  A reflection in a looking glass, in a stream or in a bowl of
water is a reflection of something, so it is true, something must be there.
But we should be concerned with what has cast the shadow, what light or what
image caused the shadow, or what image caused the relection in that looking
glass, stream, or bowl of water.  If we continue- as some philospophers
have- to concern ourselves with the nature of the shadow or the reflection,
rather than looking at what caused or gave its nature to the shadow, then we
divert ourselves away from the mainstream activity." -Omar Ali Shah

He's speaking specifically about superstition, magic and ritual, but it
seems to at least somewhat apply here as well.

-thad

Thad Biggerstaff     instrumental@xxxxxxxxxxx

"Not to forget, I 'museumize' myself; so that then I pay myself a visit
and find me again in all the relics, to hand down memories from one
to the other, like a genealogical tree, as if it were morning!" - Massimo
Toniutti


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