Re: [microsound] Re: privilege, boundaries and class

[Peter Price <pprice@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Tobias,

You're right...i have conflated the piece "Fuck Art, Let's Dance" which 
you linked to some time ago into your last post to this group without 
making that clear.

Also I should have clarified my thoughts on your rhythmic reductionism. 
The meshing of a musicalogicaly reductive definition of rhythm with a 
broad non musical definition is how your "naturalization" of particular 
musical forms functions.

Your stuff about "posing a question of affect" is either too cagey or 
too subtle for me. But I will try to pick it up some time when I have 
more time to think.

"rhythm as affect?" Maybe something like the "intensive" qualities of 
rhythm rather than "extensive" qualities?

But I do see a change in your thinking...before the question was if 
Adorno could dance, now its if he can fuck.

On Friday, January 21, 2005, at 12:57 PM, tobias c. van Veen wrote:

> hi Peter,
>
> - First, you might want to parse what is presented as "my" writing -- 
> I have
> presented a number of possible theses and reduxes -- these are possible
> avenues of thought, and this has been made explicit;
>
> - I never once mentioned electronic dance music; nor did I ever say I
> "prefer music.. this way;" nor would I characterize what I am trying 
> to do
> as "naturalizing;" (an upcoming publication of a talk I have at SLS 
> Paris
> last summer actually discusses city grids to binary and digital logic, 
> among
> other things);
>
> - I think mentioning rhythm as the rhythm of making love to the sun to 
> that
> of culture is a fairly broad definition of rhythm and hardly 
> "musicological"
> nor "reductive;" I never once mentioned a time signature nor any 
> metric;
>
> - I think what you mistake in my writing for "ethical critique" 
> (though I
> would never wish to restrain your critique) would perhaps better be
> described as "posing a question of affect" -- if only for the sake of
> accuracy;
>
> - You might want to re-read and notice the performative switch from
> understanding to FEEL -- to qualify this -- a switch from the critique 
> of
> judgement to that of affect (I use "feel" as most people will get this
> term.. however on the critical level I would wish to make a distinction
> between affect and emotion, between, say, the theories of Lawrence 
> Grossberg
> over affect and Brian Massumi -- however it doesn't matter if nobody 
> knows
> these references, what I am getting at is a sense of affect -- rhythm 
> as
> affect -- which has nothing to do with metrics, mathematics, 
> quantification,
> calculation, nor the sensory faculties of emotion):
>
> "However, when [Adorno] attempts to turn aesthetics to ethical 
> critique, he
> is not so much generalizing as condemning an essential aspect of 
> existence:
> the rhythm of repetition that, one comes to realise, touches our world 
> ..
> the sun up, the sun down .. we dance, we drink, we sleep, we make love 
> ..
> Adorno's lack of understanding of rhythm-- no, scratch that -- that he 
> can't
> FEEL rhythm worries the shit out of me .. how did Adorno make love 
> without
> rhythm? How did he dance in bed? How did he see the sun everyday?"
>
> In this paragraph:
>
>
> rhythm of repetition
> touches
> FEEL
>
> also a "scratch:" a thought posed and removed, reframed from 
> "understanding"
> (Kant) to "FEEL" (affect, we might think Deleuze / Massumi here if 
> anyone
> wishes to follow the trail of references I usually leave out when 
> writing
> emails in a casual manner .. )
>
> .. no mention here of dance music, metrics, counting time, a certain 
> BPM,
> preferring anything, etc.
>
> Instead I want to pose the questions:
>
> ".. how did Adorno make love without rhythm? How did he dance in bed? 
> How
> did he see the sun everyday?"
>
>
> Which reminds me, just now, of the question Derrida poses in the 
> DERRIDA
> documentary -- he wanted to know what the major philosophers were like 
> in
> bed.. Heidegger.. Kant..
>
> So how about Adorno? Did he ever lighten up?
> Did he ever get a hard-on for Emma Goldman?
>
> cheers,
>
>     tV
>
>
>
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