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Re: [microsound] plagiarism
As Kid 606 records go, I think The Action Packed Mentallist Brings You
the Fucking Jams might be a bit more along the lines of what you're
looking for. I'm unsure whether or not you would file this album under
"because we can".
Another one (with a lot more compositional and technical merit, in my
opinion) was DJ Shadow's Endtroducing. I heard someone say that it was
the first record to be made entirely from samples of other records. I
don't know if it was the *very* first, or that it was made *entirely*
from samples, but it was made a little while ago (early 90's, I
think?), and composed at least mostly of samples. In any case, it's a
fabulous album. Also, as far as strong philosophies go, Shadow
certainly seems to have one, whatever it is. I never hear him say too
much, other than "I feel so strongly about the things I have to say
that I just can't say them at all." Or something. He's a little weird.
Hope this helps.
-QF8
http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/
On 6/3/05, billy gomberg <glitchkitten@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> my contemporary touchstone for this is kid606's "down w/the
> scene" (ipecac, 1999).
>
> tons of attitude and very creative (i still think it is his best).
>
> I think that "right now" plagiarism and appropriation are very
> commonplace, part of the pallette.
>
> this is due as much to oswald/negativland (and the avant garde side
> of things) as it is to the influence of public enemy and most hiphop
> production, as well as the traditions of dancehall (where new vocals
> are laid over old and/or plagiarised riddims) or dub.
>
> which puts us in a more sensitive situation - is sampling (using that
> term in general) something we do "because we can" (and it is so easy
> to do today) or a technique that requires care and understanding
> (ideally, like all elements of artistic creation). this is
> especially pertinent given the forum you have posted to - i'm
> assuming we are all pretty friendly with various dsp suites and
> softwares and can mash a sample into oblivion - what does this mean
> about the use of a sample? (esp if all we hear is granulate -
> convovle - granulate - delay - granulate)
>
> see tim hecker's "my love is rotten to the core" (van halen samples),
> akufen or crackhaus (millions of samples in a techno/house frame),
> akira rabelais "Spellewauerynsherde" or opto "2nd" ('found' source
> material)
>
> also think of some vinyl artists - christan marclay, philip jeck,
> janek schaefer, otomo yoshihide.......
>
> that should get you going.....
>
> On Jun 3, 2005, at 9:26 AM, sven wrote:
>
> > hi list,
> > i'm currently researching plagaristic music wether microsoundish or
> > not.
> > when i'm talking about plagiarism i don't mean it in the negative
> > sense
> > of the word, rather in it's dadaistic/situationistic/neoistic sense
> > as an
> > approach to break with conventions like the notion of a musician of an
> > artistic genius and questions like if not also the production of
> > art/music
> > is rather an social collaborative process than it is original
> > creation.
> > besides the obvious and well know examples like john oswald,
> > negativeland
> > and the tape-beatles i'm looking for hints to artists who bundle
> > their plagiarized
> > music with a strong philosophy of plagiarism/appropriation beyond
> > we-do-because-we-can.
> >
> > sven.
> >
> >
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