Re: [microsound] chuck or supercollider ?

[kubick <sesenta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Actually, I disagree with that attitude!  IMO Max and SuperCollider/ 
Chuck are very different beasts.
And I think that it's interesting and enlivening to learn new kinds  
of tools.
Yes, you definitely do take steps backwards, in terms of actually  
making music,
because you end up investing a lot of time in learning the new tools,
but then the payoff is, hopefully, that entirely new worlds open up  
for your work.
I started learning SC about 1+  yr ago, and it took a lot of work,  
but now I feel
pretty comfortable in that environment and it's really paying off,  
with new sounds
and approaches (and also with new time-saving tools,etc.)
More importantly, for me, I feel like a whole world/approach has  
opened up to me.
Basically, computer programming, in the more traditional, non-Max way,
 if you know what I mean.  It could be primarily because I'm not a  
real max genius, but
certain kinds off things seem really hard to do in max.  Plus, it's  
just plain nice to be writing
at what I think of as a slightly more fundamental level.  And SC  
crashes less than Max.
That said, there is now the capability to incorporate java, which  
might be an interesting approach:
try learning java, for use in max, and if you like it, move on to  
other languages like SuperCollider or Chuck.
And definitely, learning java will help with SuperCollider....

SO anyway back to the original question: I haven't used Chuck, but SC  
is fantastic.
Just really well put together, flawless operation, etc.  With a  
pretty helpful user community, too.
Nowhere near the size of max, but I would say, perhaps growing faster  
than max.




> Seems to me that it would make more sense (and be helpful to the
> communities for each language) to try to extend an environment like
> pd (especially since it's more or less an open project) or max/msp
> since you've already put years of time into them. Learn to code some
> new externals that open up new possibilities.
>
>   It seems to me that you would be taking a step backward to start
> from scratch with something else -- unless you've hit some kind of
> intrinsic shortcoming or barrier to the further development of your
> work. If that's the case then you perhaps would have some more
> specific criteria you want to meet and that would help you decide on
> starting with a new language.
>
>
>
> > hi, after some years of working with dataflow languages like max
> > and pd
> > i decided to learn a new programming language for music. Im very
> > interested in chuck and supercollider.... before deciding  one i  
> > would
> > like to listen opinions from people that have used them. which
> > language
> > is more powerful? which one has more posibilities for music  
> > creation -
> > synthesis? chuck or supercollider?

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