Re: [microsound] Derivative Music

[jeff gburek <tsazmaniac@xxxxxxxxx>]

when?...it derives from mathematics no? derivative
functions...from thereon it functions in other
contexts just as a metaphor, in genetics etc...
culturally it is moot since sampling is
simulacral--another discourse-- and derivative style
means one imitated and or pastiched--to mold something
from pre-stuff...when i was young you had to cut your
own style...but when we said this it did not mean to
be popular...it meant to stand alone...very
ethical...these days most will think of something as
music only after it had been popularized
(classicalized) and this latter is a process of
insertion into a scale of hierarchies whereby its
individuality is perpetually deconstructed by a
process of comparisons and associations with
established norms. my answer then modified: derivative
music occurs "naturally" with reprodcution and
disssemination of products and nothing prevents the
original from being cheapened to the point of
uselessness. that is the devastating anti- culture of
capital. it is similar to a process of assimilation of
language but different because style is a late
decision (it is: appropriation) in life and it shows 
social forces and one's resistance to and bending
toward conformity
-jeff gbk

--- Risonanza Magnetica - S
<s@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I'm not talking about "influence", but "derivative",
> maybe it's easy  
> to confuse it?
> Anyway, i'll try to propose the question in a
> different way: when  
> this idea of derivative is born?
> 
> best,
> sim
> 
> 
> Il giorno 21/feb/06, alle ore 18:29, mat.the.w ha
> scritto:
> 
> > The problem is that you can say this about pretty
> much any music.  
> > There are
> > countless style progressions and a very rich
> musicological heritage  
> > shared
> > amongst musical 'genres', as far back as the first
> composers began  
> > imitating
> > one another.
> >
> > You've touched on more of a meta-description of
> artistic  
> > development, in my
> > eyes. Maybe something more descriptive of the
> style itself would  
> > make more
> > sense?
> >
> > On 2/21/06 9:21 AM, "Risonanza Magnetica - S"
> <s@risonanza- 
> > magnetica.com>
> > scribed:
> >
> >> Hi everybody,
> >>
> >> I'd like to suggest you what do you think about
> the concept of
> >> "derivative music".
> >> I'm considering this in the field of post-punk,
> specifically referred
> >> to the the post-punk scene in Sao Paulo, Brasil,
> during the eighties,
> >> as "derivative" of No Wave scene in New York.
> >>
> >> This concept should be valid also for a bigger
> part of electronic
> >> music field, i'd like to know if someone knows
> about a specific study
> >> on this?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Simone B
> >>
> >>
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