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Re: [microsound] Derivative Music
at another pass, it occurs to me sampling and
turtablism make derivatives more traceable, conscious
and deliberate...wheras derivative style for an
instrumentalist comes from appropriation of techniques
into one's body (for the guitarist in the fingers
patterns or slide technique or putting the guitar on
the table, putting objects between the strings: these
are techniques at getting a sound and the sound may be
called derivative if you are enamoured of thinking
that way (derivative thought). but to say a piece
derives from previously realized musical work, say we
take a sample of strings from ligeti, that's a
different kind of deriving, like grafting skin,
eventually it becomes assimilated to the new tissue
and the old form which contains its own genetic
material, moves forward as part of a new opus...
--- jeff gburek <tsazmaniac@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> when?...it derives from mathematics no? derivative
> functions...from thereon it functions in other
> contexts just as a metaphor, in genetics etc...
> culturally it is moot since sampling is
> simulacral--another discourse-- and derivative style
> means one imitated and or pastiched--to mold
> something
> from pre-stuff...when i was young you had to cut
> your
> own style...but when we said this it did not mean to
> be popular...it meant to stand alone...very
> ethical...these days most will think of something as
> music only after it had been popularized
> (classicalized) and this latter is a process of
> insertion into a scale of hierarchies whereby its
> individuality is perpetually deconstructed by a
> process of comparisons and associations with
> established norms. my answer then modified:
> derivative
> music occurs "naturally" with reprodcution and
> disssemination of products and nothing prevents the
> original from being cheapened to the point of
> uselessness. that is the devastating anti- culture
> of
> capital. it is similar to a process of assimilation
> of
> language but different because style is a late
> decision (it is: appropriation) in life and it shows
>
> social forces and one's resistance to and bending
> toward conformity
> -jeff gbk
>
> --- Risonanza Magnetica - S
> <s@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > I'm not talking about "influence", but
> "derivative",
> > maybe it's easy
> > to confuse it?
> > Anyway, i'll try to propose the question in a
> > different way: when
> > this idea of derivative is born?
> >
> > best,
> > sim
> >
> >
> > Il giorno 21/feb/06, alle ore 18:29, mat.the.w ha
> > scritto:
> >
> > > The problem is that you can say this about
> pretty
> > much any music.
> > > There are
> > > countless style progressions and a very rich
> > musicological heritage
> > > shared
> > > amongst musical 'genres', as far back as the
> first
> > composers began
> > > imitating
> > > one another.
> > >
> > > You've touched on more of a meta-description of
> > artistic
> > > development, in my
> > > eyes. Maybe something more descriptive of the
> > style itself would
> > > make more
> > > sense?
> > >
> > > On 2/21/06 9:21 AM, "Risonanza Magnetica - S"
> > <s@risonanza-
> > > magnetica.com>
> > > scribed:
> > >
> > >> Hi everybody,
> > >>
> > >> I'd like to suggest you what do you think about
> > the concept of
> > >> "derivative music".
> > >> I'm considering this in the field of post-punk,
> > specifically referred
> > >> to the the post-punk scene in Sao Paulo,
> Brasil,
> > during the eighties,
> > >> as "derivative" of No Wave scene in New York.
> > >>
> > >> This concept should be valid also for a bigger
> > part of electronic
> > >> music field, i'd like to know if someone knows
> > about a specific study
> > >> on this?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Simone B
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Risonanza Magnetica
> > >> http://www.risonanza-magnetica.com
> > >> info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Tel +39 0523 713363
> > >> Mob +39 328 8619930
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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