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Re: [microsound] the system that works for the great deal of people
it is interesting to think of snippiness in symptomatic terms, yes?
what is it about the present ideological state of affairs that enables frame
disputes (between frames of reference, say at the level of the assumptions
that enable you to model capitalism one way or another, a step prior to any
actual modelling) to degenerate so quickly and often into snippiness?
i wonder if this has something to do with identity branding in shaping
political statements and relations to political statements. political
statements are consumer items and one routes elements of one's sense of
social distinction through the set of statements that fits best, whose
colors are most flattering, etc., and these political statements become
integrated into a level of habitus (ugly word, isnt it? got a better one?
bourdieuspeak. ugh.) which is reflected on choices of models and the
statements about the world organized by the,. and which reflects yourself
back to yourself.
it is interesting that statements that would entail shifting your relation
to capitalism as a category as a model seem not to generate discussion but
are greeted more as a kind of irritating faux pas like talking with your
mouth full of food on a first date but more irritating kind of. it is as if
they have been framed out of any relation to argument.
the results read like:
Q. "can you defend the premises of your relationship to capitalism?"
A. "fuck you."
snippiness instead.
what exactly is being defended through it?
there seems to be something screwy has happened to political debate.
returning to the bench on the sidelines
stephen
On 7/15/06, Tolga Tüzün <tolgatuzun@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I strongly protest the use of such obscenities. I suggest this list
> to my students as one of the sources that have decent philosophic/
> aesthetic discussions on music. The use of the word "fuck" and its
> usual accompaniments are the least of my concerns ......but telling
> people "their heads belong to a basket" or to "shut up".
>
> If we will tolerate this "O'Reilly Factor" behaviors, why don't we
> all shut up? Isn't that what they want?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Tolga Tuzun
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2006, at 4:25 PM, Jason Hollis wrote:
>
> > Excuse me?
> > What fucking planet do you live on?
> >
> > More the point, either back your shit up, little one, or shut the
> > fuck up
> > because all that you've done here is illustrate that you merely
> > have a foul mouth.
> >
> > Show us supporting evidence or keep your bullshit to yourself.
> >
> > Fucktard.
> >
> >
> > ~ !J!
> > http://www.endif.org
> > http://www.crunchpod.com
> > http://www.thirdwavecollective.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "devslashnull" <dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "microsound" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 1:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: [microsound] the system that works for the great deal
> > of people
> >
> >
> >> this is so fucking laughable.
> >>
> >> safety nets, reform, regulation.
> >>
> >> who is it that is thriving? take a look through the eyes of an
> >> economic
> >> phenomenologist.
> >>
> >> bitch.
> >>
> >> "thrivers" don't balance anything. and calling them mechanisms
> >> belies a
> >> life that has never been at the shit end of one of them.
> >>
> >> fuck you. your head belongs in a basket.
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >> (these last two characters are to insinuate that I politely request
> >> amnesty from the mechanisms that may punish me for my proletarian
> >> dreams)
> >>
> >> oh the democratic discourse. i get such a chubby.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 14, 2006, at 7:23 AM, Jason Hollis wrote:
> >>
> >>> How nice of you to provide us with such an UNBIASED reference.
> >>> Marxist.com indeed. Good to see objectivity alive and well.
> >>>
> >>> The answer to these problems is not communism - which clearly failed
> >>> in every case where it was attempted, just as pure unregulated hands
> >>> off laissez faire capitalism failed similarly - but in properly
> >>> regulating businesses, providing social safety nets, and
> >>> reforming the
> >>> loopholes in the democratic system that allow politicians to be
> >>> bought
> >>> by special interests. To the extent that this balancing of
> >>> mechanisms
> >>> is implemented in a national structure, that nation thrives. Until
> >>> such time as that happens, yes, these injustices will continue, even
> >>> worsen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ~ !J!
> >>> http://www.endif.org
> >>> http://www.crunchpod.com
> >>> http://www.thirdwavecollective.com
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Revolution #9"
> >>> <hendrix@xxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: "microsound lista" <microsound@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:23 AM
> >>> Subject: [microsound] the system that works for the great deal of
> >>> people
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> http://www.marxist.com/usa-statistics-shock240506-2.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ===========================
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